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Post by John on Feb 2, 2012 10:39:53 GMT -5
Wasn't the deepest colliery shaft the Clockface Colliery at St Helens Lancs at 1400m?
I knew there were deeper workings in some of the Manchester pits as the seams dip quite steeply to the west.
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Post by John on Feb 2, 2012 10:55:18 GMT -5
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Post by shropshirebloke on Feb 2, 2012 11:04:32 GMT -5
That'll teach me not to believe everything in find in Google ;D
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Post by John on Feb 3, 2012 9:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by John on Feb 3, 2012 9:34:37 GMT -5
Chock Fitter, he was normally a "Reg11 man" he wasn't a skilled fitter, but taught how to repair faults in powered roof supports, and repair them.. He was authorised as a semi skilled fitter, much like most of us apprentices were when we turned 18, I say most, as not everyone was trusted enough to be let loose on the world... ;D
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Post by John on Feb 3, 2012 9:42:54 GMT -5
At every colliery, usually kept near the upcast shaft air lock doors was a graph barometer to record air pressure.
I'd hazard a guess the person wanted to know why?
When barometric pressure drops due to a low pressure/storm approaching, gasses start leaking from the seams, old workings etc. Officials before going underground make a note of the barometer readings, if they are dropping, he will be paying special attention to making more gas tests than normal. The Officials will be looking for blackdamp and methane escaping from old workings and goafs on his examinations during his working shift and make a note of any found in the statutory report books.
Also, if barometric pressure starts dropping during a shift, someone will notify the Deputy's underground of the event for the same reasons.
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Post by shropshirebloke on Feb 3, 2012 16:26:36 GMT -5
I know what you're on about as to the reasons, but I always thought it was part of the M & Q Reg.s that a barometer had to be clearly visible near the main entrance to the mine. We had one between the lamp room and the entrance to the pit top (downcast in our case), with the last couple of days' readings displayed (taken at hourly intervals if I remember correctly).
Our upcast was about about half a mile up the lane where most of us would never have seen it. There would have been a water gauge there, showing the difference (measured in inches of water) between air pressure in the fan drift and that in the atmosphere on the surface , which would have been the same as at the top of the downcast. A sudden change in the water gauge would indicate either (if the level went down) a short circuit or (level up) an obstruction in the ventilation circuit.
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Post by John on Feb 3, 2012 16:53:27 GMT -5
I know what you're on about as to the reasons, but I always thought it was part of the M & Q Reg.s that a barometer had to be clearly visible near the main entrance to the mine. We had one between the lamp room and the entrance to the pit top (downcast in our case), with the last couple of days' readings displayed (taken at hourly intervals if I remember correctly). Our upcast was about about half a mile up the lane where most of us would never have seen it. There would have been a water gauge there, showing the difference (measured in inches of water) between air pressure in the fan drift and that in the atmosphere on the surface , which would have been the same as at the top of the downcast. A sudden change in the water gauge would indicate either (if the level went down) a short circuit or (level up) an obstruction in the ventilation circuit. Quite correct, mandatory, my first pit it was mounted just outside the upcast air lock doors so the Deputies and Overmen could see it before going down the pit. Upcast was our manriding shaft. I think the one at Cotgrave was in the deployment centre. The only type I recall had a pen and graph recording paper. I don't know where the water guage was at either of those pits, but like you say was monitored, usually every hour by the surface telephone exchange operator. Boulby had their water guage underground in the main control room. I don't recall a barometer there as our gasses were contained in pockets of shales.
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Post by shropshirebloke on Feb 3, 2012 18:09:18 GMT -5
Naylor Spiralarm Type M
The Naylor Spiralarm was an interesting early (and surprisingly simple and effective) CH4 (methane) alarm.
It looks like an ordinary Naylor safety lamp, with an additional small red lamp glass underneath. The clever bit was above the wick in the top part and in the bonnet above. Basically there's a spiral bi-metallic strip in the top above the flame (like an old fashioned central heating thermostat), which when the temperature reaches a preset point closes a contact on a circuit powered by a battery in the lamp base and lights a bulb inside the red glass.
The clever bit is that the mechanism operates on the additional heat generated when methane burns inside the lamp - it would show a red light when a particular percentage of methane was present.
I own a Type S - which was made for use in sewers (where methane was also a hazard) - that also has a buzzer which would sound when the preset methane level was reached, it's about 2 inches higher than the mines version with an equivalently deeper red glass. I've also got a Type M (the mines version) in a box somewhere, but I haven't had time to strip it down to see if that also has the buzzer mechanism.
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Post by John on Feb 3, 2012 19:38:00 GMT -5
Here's a drawing of a Spiralarm lamp on my webpage.coalcollieryandmining.110mb.com/OMGI.htmlJust note, this is the "old Mine Gasses" booklet dating back to the 1960's, so most of the methane detectors are not around today.
The newer "Mine Gasses" booklet can be found in the index.
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Post by spanker on Feb 4, 2012 13:44:48 GMT -5
I only worked at two pits Ireland and Markham of which the barometers were kept in the lamp rooms at both which were read by the officials on entering and leaving pit, if we were to get any severe change in pressure the contol room operative would make a call via the tannoy system to alert us. Bet they'll be worth abob or two now if any one took it prior to pit closing somebody will have had one away jammy buggers!
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2012 17:06:57 GMT -5
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2012 17:10:19 GMT -5
I knew John Richards very well, he was "D" shift U/G elec foreman, never used to wear socks!!
Good bloke to work for too.
As far as I'm aware, this is the only forum dealing with Boulby Mine, I worked there for four and a half years from 1975 in the early days of the mine up until I migrated in late 1979. I was part of the Elec Engineering Staff, one of "C" shift electricians with John Sinclair, (Womble), Fred Fletcher, Alan?? and Foreman was Keith Tomlinson.
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Post by John on Mar 4, 2012 9:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 4, 2012 9:04:39 GMT -5
Looks like someone is looking for Clive.
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Post by John on Mar 7, 2012 14:47:16 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 7, 2012 14:52:09 GMT -5
I'll fit in a couple, how many pits in Nottingham? Well from what period to when? During the early 1960's there was Wollaton, Radford, Gedling, Babbington, Clifton and Bestwood. Just a short distance away from the city was Cotgrave, Hucknall No2 and Linby. Going back many years there was Newcastle, Bulwell too.
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Post by John on Mar 7, 2012 14:54:03 GMT -5
Someone was looking for info on 50 ton skips, sounds a little large to me, would require tremendous power to hoist through a shaft. Not even sure if 50 ton skips would be feasible.
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Post by dazbt on Mar 7, 2012 16:06:19 GMT -5
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Post by dazbt on Mar 7, 2012 16:27:28 GMT -5
Just checked and 45 tonnes is equivalent to 50 short tons, the original info I had about this colliery's capacity came from an old workmate who lives in China and is employed by a US mining machinery company there, it just dawned on me that they work off short tons in terms of capacity and production, still a pretty hefty lift though !!
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Post by John on Mar 7, 2012 17:58:44 GMT -5
Just checked and 45 tonnes is equivalent to 50 short tons, the original info I had about this colliery's capacity came from an old workmate who lives in China and is employed by a US mining machinery company there, it just dawned on me that they work off short tons in terms of capacity and production, still a pretty hefty lift though !! That's some winder Daz!!
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Post by Ragger on Mar 8, 2012 11:41:35 GMT -5
I'll fit in a couple, how many pits in Nottingham? Well from what period to when? During the early 1960's there was Wollaton, Radford, Gedling, Babbington, Clifton and Bestwood. Just a short distance away from the city was Cotgrave, Hucknall No2 and Linby. Going back many years there was Newcastle, Bulwell too. Don't know if this link has been sent before. Sorry if it has. COLLIERIES OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AT WORK IN, 1880. freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmhrc/list80.htm#ENGLAND
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Post by John on Mar 8, 2012 12:06:24 GMT -5
Some of those listed as Nottingham are miles away Bill, Brinsley was to the west of Hucknall near Eastwood,in fact is listed on many lists as an Eastwood colliery not a Nottingham colliery, Linby was more in the shire just north of Hucknall. A lot more are listed as Nottingham, when in fact they are North Nottinghamshire collieries.
One of the reasons I ask "when", was pre 19th century, there were no Nottingham collieries, there were a couple working near the outcrop to the north west of the city in what was then countryside.
First true colliery in "Nottingham" as such was Thomas Norths Babbington colliery, then Newcastle, Bulwell, Wollaton, Radford and Clifton were sunk. Technically, some were not in Nottingham as such when they were sunk, but at the villages which gave their names to the pits, but later swallowed up by the City as suburbs.
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Post by John on Mar 8, 2012 12:11:52 GMT -5
There is one thing comes out of all this research, I've discovered how small my place of birth really was until the industrial revolution took hold! Like Wollaton Park, used to be nice to visit it and walk around the grounds and hall.... It's in a heavily built up area, back when the Middletons built it, it was way out "in the sticks" as was their colliery, Wollaton. There were no workers houses in the parish, Middleton wouldn't allow it!! His miners had to walk from Radford to work every day.
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Post by John on Mar 9, 2012 16:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 9, 2012 16:55:46 GMT -5
Allen West Switchgear now owns Wallacetown Engineering, aka Wecol.
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Post by John on Mar 16, 2012 16:28:37 GMT -5
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Post by John on Mar 16, 2012 16:36:47 GMT -5
Not sure if Cotgrave had a band, didn't when I was there in the late 60's.
Coal seams in Nottinghamshire...... A lot outcrop to the north west of the city into Derbyshire and progress south east at approx a 5 degree dip. The River Trent sits in a major fault south of the city and seams are nearly three hundred feet deeper on the south side of the fault, there are also numerous faults within the coalfield. The shallowest workings are around Eastwood into the Leen Valley collieries, ie Linby, Hucknall No1 and 2 etc. again seams dipping eastwards
Top Hard seam was too shallow to work at Wollaton and Radford and too close to water bearing strata at Clifton Colliery. I have made charts up of seam depths at a lot of the Notts pits together with seam thicknesses, they will go on the website of the same name as this forum later.
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