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Post by colly0410 on Nov 6, 2013 16:40:17 GMT -5
Been staying at Mother-in-laws since summer as she's not been well so we could look after her, TV licence for our house ran out at end of August, as MIL is over 75 she gets a free one so didn't renew ours. Moved back home on Saturday, phoned TV licence people on Monday to pay for licence to start on Nov 1'st, they said it would have to start on Sep 1'st as that's when old one ran out, explained that house was empty, they asked if I'd informed DVLA, council, post office ect about temporary move? I said "no" licence got to start on Sep 1'st then, I was so mad I put the phone down. We went to a Paypoint shop & got one in my Wife's name & paid cash, got my licence through this morning & it starts on 1'st Nov, RESULT. I so hate the TV licence..
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Post by Mick on Nov 6, 2013 16:47:49 GMT -5
Nice one mate love it when someone get one over on them. Mick.
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Post by John on Nov 6, 2013 17:28:23 GMT -5
There are ways to get around the TV license legally Steve! Why not get your programming via the internet??? We don't have licensing problems stateside, but living in the country many miles from the nearest TV station, our options are to pay for expensive satellite reception, or use the internet.
I use one of these..matricom.net/You don't have to buy these, you could download the operating platform, XBMC to your computer and watch everything here, but I prefer my armchair and the big flat screen TV. As long as you don't watch "live TV" you don't need a license.
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Post by colly0410 on Nov 6, 2013 18:46:39 GMT -5
If it was up to me I'd sell the TV's, but SWMBO likes to watch the soaps & strictly come dancing & other rubbish. I'd just watch the news, horizon & anything else I like on BBC i player & ITV C4 C5 catch up on the laptop, I know you don't need a licence to watch them if they're not live. I feel a bit chuffed because I got two months extra out of them though, lol..
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Post by dazbt on Nov 7, 2013 2:39:21 GMT -5
There are ways to get around the TV license legally Steve! Why not get your programming via the internet??? We don't have licensing problems stateside, but living in the country many miles from the nearest TV station, our options are to pay for expensive satellite reception, or use the internet.
I use one of these..matricom.net/You don't have to buy these, you could download the operating platform, XBMC to your computer and watch everything here, but I prefer my armchair and the big flat screen TV. As long as you don't watch "live TV" you don't need a license.
I'm thick .................. but can't you use 'the big flat screen' as a monitor via the PC even if you haven't got a Smart or Internet TV?
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Post by colly0410 on Nov 7, 2013 5:58:17 GMT -5
My Cousin came back from Australia & didn't know you still needed a TV licence here, he got caught, was fined £238 + £42 costs + £10 victim surcharge, I cant work out who the victim was though. He wasn't very happy & he's now got a criminal record, they said if he didn't pay up it's jail time. They call the licence police 'Nazi Stormtroopers'..
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2013 7:02:10 GMT -5
There are ways to get around the TV license legally Steve! Why not get your programming via the internet??? We don't have licensing problems stateside, but living in the country many miles from the nearest TV station, our options are to pay for expensive satellite reception, or use the internet.
I use one of these..matricom.net/You don't have to buy these, you could download the operating platform, XBMC to your computer and watch everything here, but I prefer my armchair and the big flat screen TV. As long as you don't watch "live TV" you don't need a license.
I'm thick .................. but can't you use 'the big flat screen' as a monitor via the PC even if you haven't got a Smart or Internet TV? Sure can. I was pricing large screen monitors out and over here they are more expensive than large screen TV's.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2013 7:06:12 GMT -5
My Cousin came back from Australia & didn't know you still needed a TV licence here, he got caught, was fined £238 + £42 costs + £10 victim surcharge, I cant work out who the victim was though. He wasn't very happy & he's now got a criminal record, they said if he didn't pay up it's jail time. They call the licence police 'Nazi Stormtroopers'.. How did they know he had and was watching TV though? The onus of proof rests with them, and if you refuse to allow them into your home, or refuse to talk to them, they have NO proof.... Most people with criminal acts, shoot them selves in the foot because they don't keep their mouths shut. BTW, it's not a criminal act, it's a civil case...There's organizations in the UK who have groups on Facebook who cite the law, and also instruct people "how to" from personal experience, appears they are winning too.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2013 7:07:42 GMT -5
I'd personally go the way Daz has mentioned though, get a large flat screen monitor, hook a PC to it and go that route, no TV no hassles..
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Post by colly0410 on Nov 7, 2013 7:25:03 GMT -5
He was out & his Australian Wife let them in & told them all they wanted to know, she'd never heard of a TV licence, it happened a few years ago mind you. According to TV licencing website it's a criminal offence coz it's classed as a tax, & you can do jail time for tax evasion as Lester Piggot knows. I wouldn't mind so much if the programs were better but most of it's bilge..
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Post by dazbt on Nov 7, 2013 7:46:34 GMT -5
He was out & his Australian Wife let them in & told them all they wanted to know, she'd never heard of a TV licence, it happened a few years ago mind you. According to TV licencing website it's a criminal offence coz it's classed as a tax, & you can do jail time for tax evasion as Lester Piggot knows. I wouldn't mind so much if the programs were better but most of it's bilge.. It definitely is a criminal offence and those convicted have a criminal record as a result.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2013 8:47:48 GMT -5
He was out & his Australian Wife let them in & told them all they wanted to know, she'd never heard of a TV licence, it happened a few years ago mind you. According to TV licencing website it's a criminal offence coz it's classed as a tax, & you can do jail time for tax evasion as Lester Piggot knows. I wouldn't mind so much if the programs were better but most of it's bilge.. I recall reading something a prosecutor wrote some years back, he quoted somewhere in the 90% figure for people who he said put themselves in prison by not keep their mouths shut. I put that to a neighbour of mine, who is a retired police officer, and he said "I wouldn't doubt it". He even went on to how a fellow police officer did much the same thing and ended up behind bars.
I know they changed the rules about evidence in the UK, but here, we are advised at ALL times, NEVER say anything to any public official, police officer etc period, weather, gardens coming on nicely etc are OK...Unless you have a fine "grass" crop of course....LOL
Anyway, what can you watch?? My Matricom G-Box is preloaded with XBMC platform, I also have it on this computer, I also loaded both with Navi-X, that's where I download movies to an external hard drive to for future viewing. In XMBC, it's possible to watch movies, sport, TV shows, old and new from all parts of the world. XBMC is easy to use and easy to set up, there is a small learning curve, but anyone who can navigate the internet should have no problems. I've found on 1 Channel, all the old UK shows, from Minder to Monarch of the Glen, Youtube has all the soapies if you want to watch them, new episodes are usually loaded by the BBC and ITV a couple of hours after screening. Both the wife and myself like Sc Fi shows, so found Star Trek, series, Stargate including the last series Universe. If you're interested in this medium, then a visit to xbmchub.com is advisable, there's a friendly forum with loads of experience, how to videos, downloads etc....
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Post by colly0410 on Nov 7, 2013 10:20:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the link John, I'll have a look as I like star trek. The cops here seem to think remaining silent is an admission of guilt, when I got pulled for not wearing a seatbelt he said "you can remain silent but if you fail to mention something now that you later rely on in court it will harm your case" it was like I'd murdered someone, & I only got a caution, lol..
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2013 15:21:44 GMT -5
There's some good shows available in one setting with XBMC, you might also read this Mail article, why have TV when you don't need to, all shows are broadcast over the internet about an hour to two hours after on air screening. There was a convention just a few weeks back over here about diminishing TV broadcast viewing called by the TV broadcast companies, Satellite and cable companies, it appears they are all losing ground to streaming video over the internet. If it keeps up I see a few TV stations going bust for lack of advertising revenue, plus Dishnetwork and Direct TV the two satellite providers over here having serious cash flow problems. I cannot see a way out for them, they just charge too much. But land based TV stations there's a real easy way out for them. Stream all their programming over the internet, local stations will retain advertisers and National the same. They could probably save a fortune too on high electric bills that the main transmitters eat up....Some over here use 6Mw final transmitters operating in Class C...C is about 50% efficient...So work out their monthly electric bill!! Channel 3 in Sacramento has a 6MW final transmitter operating from a tower 2000ft high with a standby tower on the same grounds at a height of 1500 feet...I've passed those towers a fair few times on the way to the Bay Area, there are about six towers, the others being around 1000ft tall. I was told the view from the 2000ft Channel3 towers is fantastic by a radio technician who had a commercial repeater at the top of it. Here's the Mail article.......www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2343323/400-000-households-avoid-paying-TV-licence-watching-BBC-programmes-iPlayer.html
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Post by smshogun on Feb 11, 2014 14:03:02 GMT -5
No its not because it is a civil offence as its the Wireless Telegraphy Act and the word act is the clue, under a legal maxim an act has to have your consent to be given the force of law, so its not law. many people use this to avoid paying the TV license as they don't want to contribute to the paedophile rings exposed.
They claim they have detection equipment? yet quite recently they have admitted that it doesn't exist and this was confirmed when a 2013 FOI information revealed that no TV detector equipment evidence has ever been used in a conviction of anyone evading their TV license, me: not had one for years and never will as its legalised fraud and I never watch the BBC anyway.
Plenty of sites showing how to avoid it legally and at the last count 20% of the population refuse to have a TV license; and as for all the court cases!!!!!!!!! silly people not knowing the law and their rights as in every case they admit to the offence, hence consenting and contracting with Crapita who enforce it, or the BBC.
To enforce it they need a name as the charge goes against a name, and remember you have the right to silence and you have the right to remove their implied right of access to your property, and impose a fee schedule if you like, and if you do it Principle to Agent, and Agent to Principle its tough if they don't know your name and you refuse to give it what can they do? you cannot bring a charge against Mr or Mrs Occupier. Here's the real killer; if you remove their implied right of access to your property and send a fee schedule (mine's £5000) and they breach it then you take them to the small claims court for the money they owe you for breaching your lawful notice, and yes they breached mine twice, and twice bills were sent, and twice thy refused to pay, so I took them to the small claims court twice, presented my paperwork, proof of posting, and proof of delivery through it being signed for delivery with tracking, and won twice, two lots of £5000 for charity and my costs reimbursed.
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2014 15:03:22 GMT -5
It's a bit like drivers licenses over this side of the pond, if you read up on the law, licenses are NOT required to drive a private vehicle. A license is for a privileged, traveling is a right, many have learned the law and have fought this issue and won. I met one gentleman who fought his case many times and won to the point the local police were ordered by the courts to cease stopping and booking him as it was wasting court time. He had no drivers license, no insurance, no registration and had a Native American made up registration plate. He told me one day one of his joys is seeing a police patrol car, wind his window down, honk on the horn and wave to them. He said they now look the other way... When you look at state law regarding drivers licenses, it's obvious the license is issued for vehicles used for gain, ie Taxi's, or interstate commerce... In my research, I found a semi driver doesn't need a license either, as long as he owns his own truck and hauls his own goods, but most haul other's property, so require a permit, ie license.
Most of what I discovered over the years needs time, patience and to be articulate in court, plus know court procedure if you have to appear to defend yourself.
Yes, what you posted about the UK TV license I have read on various peoples sites, just wished I'd known and understand how it all worked before I left in 1979.
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Post by John on Feb 11, 2014 15:10:28 GMT -5
Just one point I noticed, yes the detector vans mostly carry nothing and it's bluff, but it has always been possible to track a TV set that is switched on down to a house, flat etc. The local oscillator/mixer is basically a small transmitter and emits a weak signal. Whether the licensing authority could use this as evidence I'm not sure. Problem would be these days, "is/was the tv being used as a receiver, video display terminal, gaming monitor or computer monitor" The moment the feller says "I don't know, I couldn't gain admittance to the property" is the moment the case has to be dismissed for lack of evidence.
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Post by dazbt on Feb 11, 2014 16:44:03 GMT -5
"No its not because it is a civil offence as its the Wireless Telegraphy Act and the word act is the clue, under a legal maxim an act has to have your consent to be given the force of law, so its not law. many people use this to avoid paying the TV license"
I'm thick, as you will gather after only a short while on this forum smshogun, but for the life of me I can't see the clue in the word Act, can you explain to me why an Act that has received The Royal Assent is not law?
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Post by colly0410 on Feb 12, 2014 7:00:20 GMT -5
Few years ago my mate was up before the beak for going through red lights, I went with him in case he got banned so I could drive his car home (he did get banned). While waiting for his case to come up we sat in the public gallery: nearly every case was no TV licence, it was horrible seeing skint little old ladies fined & humiliated, some of them were in tears. I think it's such an unfair tax...
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Post by smshogun on Feb 20, 2014 14:36:43 GMT -5
Dazbt:
Nobody is thick, just that so many people have become apathetic and this is when they are walked all over.
Currently the UK is a Common Law jurisdiction which means common law is the overriding legislation and many other countries such as America, Canada, Australia, Canada, Jamacia, and many more are common law jurisdiction; common law is defined as what a normal person would do under those exact circumstances: Acts and Statutes are classed as man made law which require consent or a contract to apply, and without either they have no force and are not law; but by people constantly calling them law people ASSUME they are law and they have to comply so basically it is a big scam perpetuated by constant indoctrination, ignorance, and constant and repetitive incorrect portrayal.
I can give a prime example based upon John's previous example: in the UK there is no requirement to have a driving license, insurance, or even an MOT and it works very simply. People believe you have to register a car and they do this using a V5 document, this V5 is actually the contract and you sign with your signature which means you have signed a contract, and having signed a contract you are bound by its conditions which are that you will maintain a car in roadworthy condition, tax, MOT and insure it as well as abide by the rules of the road, and you note the terminology CAR is used.
If you don't fill in a V5 and you call your vehicle a CONVEYANCE OR PRIVATE CONVEYANCE then you don't need to tax. MOT, or insure it and the only rule that applies is you do not block a right of way.
Note the differences here, terminology and use of terminology, and implied perceptions of that terminology. In all forms of law there is a latin term "non asumpsit" which means assume nothing and that's exactly what people do, they assume.
If we take it a stage further and look at the police we see this indoctrination at its best, they call themselves two things, one is a police constable or constable, or a police officer and again this is a play on words. Police take an oath and attestation as a CONSTABLE and not an officer as an officer is a corporate term, CEO means chief executive officer for example. When you make them act "under their oath" they can do only one thing and that is to act as a police constable and prevent a breach of the peace, protect the public, take and record crimes and investigate them as speedily as possible and present this evidence to a court. If they act as a police officer they are not acting under any oath because they take it as a constable and not an officer, and as an officer (corporate) their function is to enforce acts and statutes for profit, so how does this work? they issue tickets for fines. Don't consent to their actions and they're stuffed and try to blag their way out of it and in 99% of cases people believe misinformation coming from them as true and accept their authority.
Only a few days ago I was stopped in my private conveyance and I asked them their reason for stop, they claimed it was "a routine stop sir" load of codswallop, no such thing as to stop you they have to have a genuine reason to stop you, these may include you committing a crime, being a vehicle resembling the description of a vehicle they are looking for in connection with a suspected crime, and many more; I just said we both know its an unlawful stop and drove off, what did they do? nothing because they knew they were acting unlawfully and that I also knew it.
You get a ticket such as a speeding or parking ticket; great as this is only an "offer to contract" and if anyone walked up to you in the street and said give me £60 would you? no you wouldn't and I won't enter their very carefully worded contract which tries to catch you both ways, by a little simple knowledge you know how to beat their offer to contract and they can do nothing.
What do I do these days? oh yes I work as Senior Contracts Manager so know about contract legislation, I know how to avoid a contract by action and inaction and haven't paid a parking ticket for about 17 years when it was decriminalised.
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Post by dazbt on Feb 20, 2014 16:33:13 GMT -5
WOW ......... thanks for that eloquent and very detailed reply smshogun, I was reasonably sure I was thick (as in ignorant), now I know that I am, (rebuttable becoming the irrebuttable). There's so much to ponder in your reply and definitions that I will have to take Time Out to reconsider my previous assumptions, thank you for that at least, I will look on what I previously thought to be the case, in a totally different light.
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Post by cortonwood on Feb 20, 2014 17:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by John on Feb 20, 2014 17:44:21 GMT -5
And if you don't have that method, try Youtube, if you like soaps. Most of TV shows and movies, including just released, and some that haven't been shown yet, ie "screeners" can be watched on several sites on line, like "Putlocker and Sockshare" Although I'm retired stateside now, I live in a very rural area, no cable and access to only three TV stations that I'm not really interested in. That leaves satellite, which would be a toll on our tight budget, so we have internet and make use of it for our entertainment. I use a set top box that streams tv shows, movies, sport etc over the internet via our large screen TV in the living room. It's independent of my computer. The make I use is the Matricom G-Box Midnight mx2 android device, easy to set up and easy to add to.
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Post by John on Feb 20, 2014 17:46:37 GMT -5
Anyone interested, I can post many many links including a few Youtube videos on the G-Box, plus sites to see what programming over the internet is all about.
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Post by John on Feb 20, 2014 17:50:40 GMT -5
Here's a Youtube review of the G-Box, all programming is 100% free and all totally legal!!
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Post by John on Feb 20, 2014 17:53:05 GMT -5
And here's my favourite XBMC site for up to date info with loads of people on the forum from all over the world.XBMC Hub
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Post by smshogun on Feb 21, 2014 14:35:03 GMT -5
Consent can be easily explained as a true example.
If you are arrested under an Act or Statute the police read you your rights and finish with the line "DO YOU UNDERSTAND" and in most cases people say yes, so lets look at this in detail from a contract law perspective.
Any society can use any terminology it likes where normal everyday words have different meanings to what you think they mean and the language of the Law Society is called Legalese, if you look up the word UNDERSTAND in legalese it means something different as it means "TO STAND UNDER" and in common and act and statute law it is interpreted as to stand under someone else's authority, and the word UNDERSTAND is used as a legalese word, now do you see the fraud and deception. When Mr plod arrests you he actually says "DO YOU STAND UNDER MY AUTHORITY" and because you think he is asking if you understand what he previously said many people are duped into verbally contracting with him and agreeing to stand under his authority which means you have agreed to do whatever he asks you to do from that point on.
If you say NO it throws them into a quandary and in most cases they will ask many questions or try to force you to say yes, when it fails they know they are stuffed as by detaining you they are committing several criminal offences under Common Law which could be illegal/unlawful detention, Aggravated Trespass on Your private Business, or if they cart you off it becomes kidnap and hostage taking. This is why they have to get you to say yes, its all about gaining jurisdiction over you, and note the word "jurisdiction" as this is important.
From this point we have to understand terminology and legal fiction, Lawful applies to Common Law and Legal applies only to Act and Statute law, and remember acts and statutes require your consent, we also have to understand the difference between the legal fiction which is actually a corporation like any company, often called the strawman and the flesh and blood human being or the living entity.
When you are born the first official act your parents do is register your birth and to do this they have to fill in an application form, to apply in law (act and statute) assumes you know the benefits you are getting and the liabilities you get, and ironically they have to have a flesh and blood living entity create the legal fiction, once the application has been filled in you have the birth certificate issued. Once issued it does several things, your parents have created the legal fiction, the corporation as the name on the birth certificate, and if you want proof look at any birth certificate and it clearly states "NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION" and this is for good reason, it only identifies the legal fiction now created and NOT the flesh and blood human being, the living entity. In addition to this it gives ownership of the child to the Government so the child you and a woman produce is legally owned by the Government, hence why social services can take them at any time, they have ownership and the child is their property, and all without a court hearing or a secret court hearing which you know nothing about.
Sound far fetched? it did to me until I did my research, and this is further proven by the fact any birth certificate is only ever a certified copy and never an original, look at your birth certificate if you want proof, the original is kept by the legal owner of the child which is the Government, Bristol is where they are all stored.
Now you commit an offence and are arrested and charged, you have already consented and given the police jurisdiction, basically you have consented to them acting against you, they submit the evidence to the CPS for prosecution and now it really begins. The trick they use is that of deceit because any act or statute can only be taken against a corporation which is a company: hold on a minute you are a company because your parents applied for a birth certificate for you and got one making you a company, so they are acting against the legal fiction. Identifying a legal fiction is easy, a title is applied, capitalised names are used, and this is easily shown.
If Joe Bloggs is our guinea pig under common law he will be referred to as joe blogs or Joe Bloggs, uncapitalised names or capitalised first letters of a name only, under the legal fiction he will be called Mr Joe Bloggs, Mr Joe BLOGGS or even JOE BLOGGS so the clues are there in the title and capitalisation.
Court issues a summons for you to appear at anytown magistrates court on a specified date and time and remember that any magistrates court or crown court are actually private companies for profit like any business, this summons is an offer to contract and if you turn up at anytown magistrates court on the date and at the time it states you have contracted and they have jurisdiction by fraud. When you go into court and the magistrates enter the usher says "everyone rise" and by standing up you are following a command which gives them jurisdiction, remain seated and watch them try everything to get you to stand. Normally its the clerk to the justices who shouts "stand up" to people in an aggressive manner hoping they stand to give them jurisdiction, stay seated and they have no jurisdiction. Magistrates take an oath and attestation and unless you specifically ask them to provide that oath or "for and on the record, are you acting under your oath today" and them saying yes, they are not magistrates they are nothing different to anyone else, they have to say yes because they have taken the oath and been asked to operate under it and this oath is to uphold COMMON LAW and not act or statute law, so they can only act if it is a common law offence as defined, and if it is an act or statute they cannot act as they have no authority or jurisdiction. The common trick is to get a flesh and blood human being to act for or as the legal fiction and all the way down the line this is what they try to do, in one case I went to court and the defendant wouldn't give them jurisdiction and he placed his birth certificate in the dock with us and the magistrates went ballistic, they asked if Mr ***** ********** was in the court and we told them he was in the dock, they looked and said nobody was there, but the birth certificate, being the legal fiction, being the corporation was actually in the dock and we asked the prosecution solicitor to confirm it and she did, the magistrates abandoned the court.
If you understand jurisdiction and authority you know in a magistrates court the magistrates have authority and jurisdiction if you give it to them, if you don't the defendant is the second most powerful authority, and in this case once the magistrates abandoned the court he became the most powerful authority and had jurisdiction and "for and on the record" he dismissed the case against himself and awarded himself damages.
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Post by John on Feb 21, 2014 18:08:54 GMT -5
I found something similar this side of the pond, federal law is "codified" there are 50 volumes entitled United States Code, now when a bill becomes an act, it is entered in one of the codes, now here lies a problem, as each of the "several states" has it's own laws and government, how do we know if a federal law applies to us?? So the Secretary has to promulgate regulations, so lets use the Income Tax law as an example. It's found at United States Code Title 26, to find out what parts apply to a "state citizen" Note the lower case s in states, you have to go to the Code of Federal Regulations at CFR26.
I also found Lawyers use what is nicknamed "Word Art"!!! So what is "word art" If I write you a letter saying "You SHALL pay me $100" what does "shall" mean? Forget the dictionary...LOL Shall means "you may" Totally different to the dictionary meaning..We have to go to books like Blacks Law Dictionary to sort out the meanings of legal words.
I also found out there are three, yes three definitions of United States of America, all legal mumbo jumbo to confuse the average person.
Now in the Income Tax Code, Title 26 USC, there are several sections, Subtitle A is Income tax, the others are mostly Excise taxes, combined in the same code book for a reason, to try and make it difficult for anyone researching income taxes!!
Now each section has a Preamble, what is a Preamble? It's to inform the reader of who that section applies to, ie lets use the old 1954 M&Q Act, every person who works at the mine shall before going underground" Fairly straight forward, if you check up the definition of person in the M&Q Act, it will define it as a living breathing human being. Now under Title 26 USC a person is a corporation, a fiction!!!!
Gets even more amusing, Person:- The term "person" shall be construed to mean and include an individual, a trust, estate, partnership, association, company or corporation. Now where do you see a real life breathing human being??? BTW "include" also has a totally different meaning in law.... Confused yet?? Well it means "only what is included in this paragraph"
Now here's another definition, Taxpayer......The term "taxpayer" means any person subject to any Internal Revenue Tax" Whom, so we have person once more....
Try United States....The term United States when used in a geographical sense, includes only the States and the District of Columbia. Remember what I said about "includes"? and also the several states use lower case "s". So what does that mean?? It means United States is Washington DC, Guam, American Samoa, American Virgin Islands and a few other protectorates...We know this from old codes pre Hawaii and Alaska being states..
Now State, The term State shall be construed to include the District of Columbia, where such construction is necessary to carry out provisions of this title.
Now can you see how governments love to try and gain jurisdiction over you with vague uses of word art??
I wished I spent time researching UK law in my younger days, I probably could have saved a few bob...
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Post by smshogun on Feb 21, 2014 23:11:53 GMT -5
If you are in America John then UK or more precisely English Law applies as America is a Common Law jurisdiction which bases its law on English law with the fifth amendment added, also remember that contract law (civil) law is universal as it has to be to trade across countries and continents, and Common Law is based upon Maritime Law which is the law of the sea, hence similarities, a ship docks and you go in the dock, a registered company, a company of men as on a ship, you get the picture, and maritime has has to multi-jurisdictional to cope with international waters and territories.
If we refer to your post we see the phrase "it is a bill" so what is a bill? it is a statement of outstanding account, a bill of lading for a ship, or any other type of bill as they are all defined as "a charge" which is to something or somebody. You also follow this with an ACT which is what a passed bill becomes, and this is for good reason; "commit that act and you face a bill for it", is it all coming together now; its all about commerce and the protection of commerce, that is law. In reality you commit what they call a criminal act and the authorities catch you they will bill you through their system which proves its all about commerce as someone produces an act called law and you have to pay a bill if you breach it so someone is making money from your act now defined as an unlawful act.
You are quite correct with the words and meanings, in act and statute law MAY actually has two meanings, may or may not so its a neutral term and Blacks among other legal dictionaries define it as such, so when someone says you may agree to pay me something it also means you may not agree to pay, here's where what you display as word art comes in.
Under Common Law or Acts and Statutes any unrebutted in substance statement made becomes truth in law, truth in law becomes judgement, so make any statement which remains unrebutted for 21 days or longer becomes truth in law, and after a further 28 days it becomes judgement in law, this is the basis of TORT law which is the basis of Common Law and this is used effectively in Commercial Liens, and believe me I still use them to give myself judgement and once I have judgement I an acting as my own Common Law court of record and the CL is great legal remedy in the UK and you can actually register your judgement on the District Registry if you know how, and this is the local registry for court judgements so stands for 99 years. So when any solicitor or legal professional makes any statement you always rebut immediately and ask them to prove their allegation, if they can't you stuff them, if they can then it becomes judgement against you; its the only way law can work hence you don't consent to a star chamber which is an inferior court which is crown court and magistrates courts then it only has one place to go, the superior court which is the High Court as this is the lowest and highest form of Common Law court, and it has to in front of a jury, hence "verdicts of juries" and no act or statute will even be allowed in the High Court as evidence or anything else.
Tax is absolutely brilliant as there is actually no legislation in any Common Law jurisdiction which says you have to pay tax, here in the UK its done under a statute which requires consent, so why does anyone pay income tax, PAYE, or council tax or road tax, the reality is they don't.
Just one little quirk worth mentioning, several weks ago I was out shooting on a friends land, perfectly legal weapon, private land, and PC plod decided to attend, first thing they ask "what's your name" my response is "am I obliged to give you that information" and they always say yes, I then ask under what law and they always say PACE or Police and Criminal Evidence Act so I merely remind them its an act and requires my consent to be given the force of law, and what do they do? threaten to arrest me. Now note the irony here, I simply tell them that I am refusing to give my name because I am not obliged to and they are threatening to arrest me with no foundation evidence then read me my rights and the first part of those rights are "you have the right to remain silent" which says it all really, they threaten to arrest me for NOt giving my details than arrest me and tell me I have the right to remain silent so they aint getting my details anyway, priceless.
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Post by dazbt on Feb 22, 2014 4:34:33 GMT -5
All great stuff smshogun, so if I'm reading it correctly there are very few (if any) UK "Laws" that mean anything in terms of a court being able to convict and impose any 'kind of retribution' on anyone who doesn't give their consent to being dealt with under whatever kind of Common or so called Statute Law. Presumably this general principle applies to all types of 'Government' imposed taxes as well, if anyone and everyone is entitled to refuse to accept these pseudo-laws and control attempts then why haven't we (the Joe Bloggs of this world)heard of it before, surely if the principle of refusal had been successfully used as a defence to Police or Court challenges then the likelihood is that everyone would be on the bandwagon, it sounds a bit more complicated than just pleading guilty or not guilty and having a solicitor make a few bob out of attempting to defend or mitigate your case, surely,knowing solicitors and other fee charging legal representatives keenness to make money, they would also have jumped on board at the first chance of showing their skill in court and obviously converting the 'few bob' into the Alchemist's Dream. I'm sure there must be a reason, maybe you've explained why and I've missed it, if so I apologise. Is there a list of examples of this principle having been applied successfully under 'UK Rules'?
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