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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 6, 2012 7:00:34 GMT -5
Hi, i will first of all introduce my self as it is only polite do so as i am new to your forum. I run a family history forum & web site dedicated to the Manchester & Salford and surrounding areas. Our aim is to assist and help people find out who makes them who they are. My reason for joining your forum is hopefully to get some help and advise on trying to get any information on miners records during the late 1940's to early 1960's. Does anyone know how you go about tracing/locating any said records? I was asked while back about two brothers who came from southern Ireland in the late 1940's. One was conscripted into the army for national service. The other was in the coal mines in the Leigh/Atherton/Salford areas of Lancashire. I was surprised to find that men from the Irish republic could be made to do national service, but since found that any man living in England could be eligible to be called up for national service. I am now wondering could the same be for men to serve in the coal mines through the Bevin boys scheme? I did find this relating to such records about the Bevin boys Click 4 the Bevin boys at the National archives Sorry this is long winded, but any help will be gratefully appreciated. M&SFHF NOTE 4 the Administrators* We have a board where the owners/administrators can promote there own forum  |
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Post by John on Jul 6, 2012 8:02:53 GMT -5
The way I understand it, during the conscription years pre 1950, not sure when the Bevin boys law was repealed, so many conscripts were selected for duty to serve in the collieries, again, not sure, but I think all conscripts could apply to work underground instead of serving in HM's forces.
I'm not sure if any records as such exist for pre Nationalization employees of the private mining industry. All the NCB/BC records are at central locations, abandonment plans in Mansfield, employment records somewhere in the West Midlands.
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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 6, 2012 8:25:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure if any records as such exist for pre Nationalization employees of the private mining industry. All the NCB/BC records are at central locations, abandonment plans in Mansfield, employment records somewhere in the West Midlands. Hi John, thanks for the reply. I take it " Nationalization employees" you mean the government nationalized the coal mines and not alien nationalization? West Midland is a big area to go at, but will try and find more info if i can. Thanks again. M&SFHF |
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Post by John on Jul 6, 2012 8:34:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure if any records as such exist for pre Nationalization employees of the private mining industry. All the NCB/BC records are at central locations, abandonment plans in Mansfield, employment records somewhere in the West Midlands. Hi John, thanks for the reply. I take it " Nationalization employees" you mean the government nationalized the coal mines and not alien nationalization? West Midland is a big area to go at, but will try and find more info if i can. Thanks again. M&SFHF |
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Post by Ragger on Jul 7, 2012 8:30:08 GMT -5
Hi, i will first of all introduce my self as it is only polite do so as i am new to your forum. I run a family history forum & web site dedicated to the Manchester & Salford and surrounding areas. Our aim is to assist and help people find out who makes them who they are. My reason for joining your forum is hopefully to get some help and advise on trying to get any information on miners records during the late 1940's to early 1960's. Does anyone know how you go about tracing/locating any said records? I was asked while back about two brothers who came from southern Ireland in the late 1940's. One was conscripted into the army for national service. The other was in the coal mines in the Leigh/Atherton/Salford areas of Lancashire. I was surprised to find that men from the Irish republic could be made to do national service, but since found that any man living in England could be eligible to be called up for national service. I am now wondering could the same be for men to serve in the coal mines through the Bevin boys scheme? I did find this relating to such records about the Bevin boys Click 4 the Bevin boys at the National archives Sorry this is long winded, but any help will be gratefully appreciated. M&SFHF NOTE 4 the Administrators* We have a board where the owners/administrators can promote there own forum I recently read a book by Tom Hickman, Called Up, Sent Down. The Bevin Boys War. Full of info about the system, used (some say abused), in selecting people to work in the pits. Many Bevin boys were still required to work in the pits long after many service men were demobbed. He names places, collieries, and people, along with a few tales. A great read. |
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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 7, 2012 8:57:17 GMT -5
Hello & thanks Ragger for taking the time to reply. I had a quick look on thee old tinter net and spotted the book you mentioned. A little bit too pricey for me just now but will look to see if my local library has it or willing to get it. Click here for a review on the bookM&SFHF |
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Post by Ragger on Jul 7, 2012 9:20:42 GMT -5
Hello & thanks Ragger for taking the time to reply. I had a quick look on thee old tinter net and spotted the book you mentioned. A little bit too pricey for me just now but will look to see if my local library has it or willing to get it. Click here for a review on the bookM&SFHF Ebay has 3 copies at 99p + postage (under £2) |
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Post by dazbt on Jul 7, 2012 10:57:31 GMT -5
Hello & thanks Ragger for taking the time to reply. I had a quick look on thee old tinter net and spotted the book you mentioned. A little bit too pricey for me just now but will look to see if my local library has it or willing to get it. Click here for a review on the bookM&SFHF Ebay has 3 copies at 99p + postage (under £2) Make that 2 copies, if Uncle Bill (Ragger) recommends it then it's good enough for me, thanks Bill ....... ;D |
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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 7, 2012 11:44:06 GMT -5
Hi Ragger, many thanks and will take a look on ebay. I know a couple of folks that owe me a couple of bob and might get them to buy a copy as way of pay back and doing so will save them the full debt ;D
M&SFH
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Post by dazbt on Jul 7, 2012 14:59:01 GMT -5
re. Bevin Boys, Warwick Taylor might be the one to answer any questions;
The Bevin Boys Association
c/o Warwick H. Taylor MBE
'Little Barn'
1 Rundlestone Court
Poundbury
Dorchester
DT1 3TN
Dorset
England
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Post by bibobs on Jul 7, 2012 15:15:48 GMT -5
Bevin boy scheme introduced 1943, as men became eligible for conscription certain numbers of national insurance were picked at random and sent to mining. At the same time mining was made a reserved occupation. After the war in 1948 conscription was renamed National Service, any miner eligible for N S had to sign on for such if he left the pit. This lasted until 1960 when N S was abolished
Bibobs
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Post by bibobs on Jul 7, 2012 15:20:49 GMT -5
Regarding individual records/ Try your local archives .In Nottinghamshire there are lots of mining records deposited of individual pits contents vary. many are N C B records who have a 35 year closure rule
Bibobs
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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 7, 2012 15:56:16 GMT -5
Hi & thanks Dazbt & Bibobs for your input. I will try the local archive in the areas around where he lived at the time and also write to the Bevin boys association to. M&SFHF  |
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Post by dazbt on Jul 7, 2012 15:59:39 GMT -5
Not all 'Bevin Boys' were conscripted directly, some were already seving in the armed forces and elected to transfer to coal mining under the scheme, others were concientious objectors or 'refusers' and opted to work in the mines rather than the armed forces.
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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 8, 2012 8:45:18 GMT -5
I have been informed that the person who was in the coal mines did so around 1948/9, so this was after the second world war.
Oh! just to let you know, after letting the person know about the book, they have purchased it off eBay and i will receive it once they have read it. So i get a copy F.O.C. and they get to read it first ;D
M&SFHF
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Post by tygwyn on Jul 13, 2012 17:02:43 GMT -5
Its Iron Mountain you want for Mining records,theyre in Cannock i believe.
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Post by M&SFHF on Jul 19, 2012 4:03:15 GMT -5
Thanks Tygwyn, will contact them to see if they can help with my request.
Note* The post man just dropped the book through my letter box this morning ;D
M&SFHF
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