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Post by John on Dec 3, 2010 11:05:49 GMT -5
I don't know if it still went on years after I left the UK coal industry, but in my time the Manager and Undermanager had to be called Mister! It could end up with a five quid fine if one didn't address them as much I know there are still some even older ex pit workers who can recall calling Deputies Mister too. But that practice had dropped out when I worked Underground, I can think of other names Deputies would be called, but wouldn't be appropriate here though. ;D
During my apprenticeship, it was expected to respect my boss, the Colliery Electrical Engineer. All the apprentices called him Mr Adcock to his face, in later years when I bumped into him I called him Lol, like everyone else did.
During my time down under, the Manager and Undermanager were always called by their Christian names.
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Post by erichall on Jul 8, 2011 10:15:40 GMT -5
When I started as Undermanager in the early '70's it was customary to call the Undermanager 'Mister'. I must admit that I found it a lottle OTT, and much preferred the euphemism 'Gaffer'. This I found showed respect for the position initially, but later one found that the way it was said would often show respect for the man himself, and the way he carried out his job. Although I have long since left mining, and indeed the area I lived in for some near-forty years, when I pay a visit to friends in my old area, I still come across some of the men who worked for and with me, and am still often greeted by the title 'gaffer'.
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Post by John on Jul 8, 2011 13:35:31 GMT -5
When I started as Undermanager in the early '70's it was customary to call the Undermanager 'Mister'. I must admit that I found it a lottle OTT, and much preferred the euphemism 'Gaffer'. This I found showed respect for the position initially, but later one found that the way it was said would often show respect for the man himself, and the way he carried out his job. Although I have long since left mining, and indeed the area I lived in for some near-forty years, when I pay a visit to friends in my old area, I still come across some of the men who worked for and with me, and am still often greeted by the title 'gaffer'. During the 60's one could get fined for calling the Manager or Under Manager by their Christian names, it was always Mister. At that time as an apprentice, it was an accepted thing to call the Engineers in Charge Mister too. All apprentices called our boss Mister Adcock. Lol behind his back though. I was working back with an electrician on Afters one day, we were getting some gear ready in the electric workshop to start an installation the following day shift. The electrician I was working with knew the U/M very well outside the pit, his name was Dennis Ward, around early 30's. Dennis walked into the shop looking for something, the elec I was with said, afternoon Dennis, can I help up??? Dennis said to him, at work it's Mr Ward, not Dennis, Brian, please.!!
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Post by John on Jul 8, 2011 13:41:34 GMT -5
In 1975, I started at CPL's brand new Boulby Mine, our staff was just starting to build up in numbers. Most of us had either served our time with the NCB or actually left the NCB to join Boulby's staff. I'd been in outside private mining company for a couple of years and out of coal mining about four years or so.
One of our staff, who hailed from South Yorkshire and had come from an NCB pit always called our engineer Mr Horner, the rest of us called him Dave. We all highly respected Dave Horner, a gentleman and someone who had completed his apprenticeship, then went on to get his BSc.
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Post by dazbt on Jul 8, 2011 14:11:07 GMT -5
Senior management got exactly the amount of respect that they earned .............. no argument there, what did happen was that all mangers, deputy managers, assistants and at some pits overmen were spoken to using the term 'Mister' but in reality only a small proportion deserved that priveleged title, a few earned it but most management were misled into believing that the men using that term to them were doing so out of respect.
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Post by rob52 on Jul 16, 2017 5:20:52 GMT -5
A few names from NCB Management.....
1969 National Coal Board Staff
R Storer - NCB North Notts Area A J Williams - Chief Engineer NCB North Notts Area
N Watson - Chief Engineer NCB Northumberland Area
J D Blelloch - Chief Engineer NCB Scottish North Area
G A Ross - Chief Engineer NCB North Durham Area
W N Fleming - Estates Manager NCB South Durham Area
E Loynes - Chief Engineer NCB North Western Area
J Smith - Chief Engineer NCB North Yorkshire Area
K B Sutcliffe - Chief Engineer NCB Barnsley Area J M Bellis - Estates Manager NCB Barnsley Area
S Collier - Chief Engineer NCB South Yorkshire
R Ditchfield - Manager South Yorkshire Mines Drainage Unit
C Buchan - Chief Engineer NCB Staffordshire Area
R H Howson - Industrial Relations Officer NCB Staffordshire Area
E R Hassall - Surveyor & Minerals Manager NCB Staffordshire Area
S C Walker - Chief Engineer NCB South Midlands
W Humphreys - Chief Engineer NCB East Wales Area E J Murphy - Estates Manager NCB East Wales Area
N Smedley - Chief Surveyor & Minerals Manager NCB North Derbyshire Area
V Brown - Chief Surveyor & Minerals Manager NCB North Yorkshire Area
W S Askew - Chief Engineer NCB Doncaster Area
Rob
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Post by merlin on Nov 23, 2017 12:53:13 GMT -5
I can remember one old miner use to take his helmet off to the undermanager
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