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Post by Mick on Sept 27, 2012 15:26:08 GMT -5
Roger The dogger Millward,was is name and he went on to be a top class player there was alot of really good rugby players came out of Wheldale. Roger was a sparky not a fitter, but you know the old saying if you find a fitter unconcious turn him over because there could be a sparky under him . Mick.
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Post by Wheldale on Sept 28, 2012 4:54:18 GMT -5
Thats the fella!! My dad took me underground at Wheldale when I was 11, just after the pit had closed. He pointed out a miner in the pit bottom who didnt have a helmet on (didnt know who it was) apperntly he played rugby for England. We also had a caravan near Filey. The next caravan to us was owned by a fella called Arthur Bond I think it was, he was a union man at Wheldale and his son played for Castleford. Do you think Wheldale had many a good rugby player as they were next door to Castleford rugby league club? Or was it that rugby was a miners sport?
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Post by Mick on Sept 28, 2012 8:26:06 GMT -5
Horace Bond was the bloke your on about mate,also his son worked at pit,George Bond he was production Manager. I remember there was afew good players there but don't know if it was because it was so near ground or not,also im sure that all them that did play were fitters or sparky's. Mick.
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Post by tygwyn on Sept 28, 2012 10:06:41 GMT -5
[quote author=mick board, also im sure that all them that did play were fitters or sparky's. Mick.[/quote]
Only damn excersise they had all week,lol.
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Post by John on Sept 28, 2012 10:49:37 GMT -5
Quiet a few of the fellers I worked with in Australia played rugby league, just before the start of the season a couple of them would walk the drift instead of riding up to lose a bit of weight they had put on over the summer months.
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Post by Wheldale on Sept 28, 2012 12:06:26 GMT -5
Horace Bond was the bloke your on about mate,also his son worked at pit,George Bond he was production Manager. I remember there was afew good players there but don't know if it was because it was so near ground or not,also im sure that all them that did play were fitters or sparky's. Mick. Horace Bond, i remember now mick. I remember him when i was about 6 or 7. I challenged his lad to a race and didnt see hin for dust! Lol
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Post by dazbt on Sept 28, 2012 12:07:47 GMT -5
[quote author=mick board, also im sure that all them that did play were fitters or sparky's. Mick. Only damn excersise they had all week,lol.[/quote] No point in fielding 13 broken winded colliers when you've got a choice of fully rested fitters and electricians stood on the sidelines, the plan worked well enough at Leigh last October ;D
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Post by Mick on Sept 28, 2012 15:17:27 GMT -5
Come to think of it dazbt they all had job on surface or in pit bottom and went out on the first draw. Mick.
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Post by dazbt on Sept 29, 2012 15:34:10 GMT -5
Come to think of it dazbt they all had job on surface or in pit bottom and went out on the first draw. Mick. Yep, there were some pit bottoms in Yorkshire that were totally cluttered with cornet playing bandsmen, first aid team competitors, rugby players, county cricketers, colliery team soccer players and half drowned colliers with water notes ........ not to mention the general exodus of craftsmen rushing about to get the M&Q signing out early run, shocking really.
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Post by tygwyn on Oct 8, 2012 11:45:42 GMT -5
Looks like Maltby is on its last legs,500 redundancies going through the review. Whats the work prospects like around that area?
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Post by dazbt on Oct 9, 2012 2:23:00 GMT -5
Looks like Maltby is on its last legs,500 redundancies going through the review. Whats the work prospects like around that area? As at July 2012 Government stats show; Barnsley, Doncaster and Rotherham (which includes Maltby) unemployment @ 11.9% (This region having higher unemployment than all the regions of Wales other than The Gwent Valleys where unemployment is @ 12.5%.) Sheffield (city accessable to Maltby) unemployment @ 10.3% I would hazard a guess that a high proportion of Maltby miner’s don’t live in Maltby itself although the areas that they are likely to live in will have similar proportional unemployment stats, in short, the prospects of similarly paid employment in the South Yorkshire area is close to negative.
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Post by tygwyn on Mar 22, 2014 16:21:42 GMT -5
How far North did the Yorkshire coalfield work? Or how close to York did it work?
As a company has an exploratory licence for Coal Bed Methane boring North and East of York.
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Post by Wheldale on Mar 22, 2014 16:32:37 GMT -5
I've read somewhere that geologists think that the yorkshire coalfield joins up with the Durham coalfield.
The most northern colliery in yorkshire was North Selby at a town called Escrick. About 5 or 6 miles South of York. I don't know how far north the working went from North Selby but I would think there would be a lot of coal under York.
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Post by tygwyn on Mar 22, 2014 16:59:01 GMT -5
Would i be right in thinking the depth of seam North of York was to great for any older workings?
Would Thorne Colliery further South be the most Easterly Colliery worked in Yorkshire?
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Post by John on Mar 22, 2014 17:05:51 GMT -5
I've read somewhere that geologists think that the yorkshire coalfield joins up with the Durham coalfield. The most northern colliery in yorkshire was North Selby at a town called Escrick. About 5 or 6 miles South of York. I don't know how far north the working went from North Selby but I would think there would be a lot of coal under York. The only way to prove that is to do an analysis of the coals seams and the rocks above them. Reading the geology of the Notts coalfield in the late 1800's that's how they corroborated which seams they had found in the early drillings. What they used as a datum was flora and fauna in the rocks above a seam, one such drilling they were unsure of the seam, it was thought to be the deep hard seam, but flora didn't agree, so they just called it an unknown seam. The reason they were "lost" was it was too close to the surface, and they didn't expect any coal for a few hundred feet further down... In fact they were spot on, it was the Deep Hard seam, all the strata had lifted and the seam outcropped a couple more miles further south west.
This wouldn't be known until the NCB did extensive drilling in the 1950's to prove coal reserves for a new colliery.
As far as I'm aware, there is no coal seams in North Yorks south of the Tees, remember Cleveland Potash, Shell, ICI and numerous other companies drilled across the Yorkshire Moors to the coast looking for oil.. Very little found, but a good potash formation was found. Again, as far as I'm aware, no coal seams were found in either No1 or No2 shaft at Boulby.
So at a rough guess, the seams were either washed out, or outcrop north of Selby.
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Post by Wheldale on Mar 22, 2014 17:12:41 GMT -5
Would i be right in thinking the depth of seam North of York was to great for any older workings? Would Thorne Colliery further South be the most Easterly Colliery worked in Yorkshire? North Selby was 1000 meters deep, Thorne was about 950 meters deep. Thorne used to be the most eastern pit but I'm not sure if infact one of the selby pits was just abit further east? I'd look on google maps tomorrow.
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Post by Wheldale on Mar 22, 2014 17:18:37 GMT -5
I've read somewhere that geologists think that the yorkshire coalfield joins up with the Durham coalfield. The most northern colliery in yorkshire was North Selby at a town called Escrick. About 5 or 6 miles South of York. I don't know how far north the working went from North Selby but I would think there would be a lot of coal under York. The only way to prove that is to do an analysis of the coals seams and the rocks above them. Reading the geology of the Notts coalfield in the late 1800's that's how they corroborated which seams they had found in the early drillings. What they used as a datum was flora and fauna in the rocks above a seam, one such drilling they were unsure of the seam, it was thought to be the deep hard seam, but flora didn't agree, so they just called it an unknown seam. The reason they were "lost" was it was too close to the surface, and they didn't expect any coal for a few hundred feet further down... In fact they were spot on, it was the Deep Hard seam, all the strata had lifted and the seam outcropped a couple more miles further south west.
This wouldn't be known until the NCB did extensive drilling in the 1950's to prove coal reserves for a new colliery.
As far as I'm aware, there is no coal seams in North Yorks south of the Tees, remember Cleveland Potash, Shell, ICI and numerous other companies drilled across the Yorkshire Moors to the coast looking for oil.. Very little found, but a good potash formation was found. Again, as far as I'm aware, no coal seams were found in either No1 or No2 shaft at Boulby.
So at a rough guess, the seams were either washed out, or outcrop north of Selby.I'm probably wrong here john, I bought a little paper booklet years ago from a pub in Goathland about the iron ore mines on the Yorkshire moors. I'm sure it said they was a very poor quality seam of coal that was worked by one of the mines. My mind is probably playing tricks on me. I've got the booklet somewhere, when I get chance I'll dig it out.
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Post by John on Mar 22, 2014 17:52:47 GMT -5
The only way to prove that is to do an analysis of the coals seams and the rocks above them. Reading the geology of the Notts coalfield in the late 1800's that's how they corroborated which seams they had found in the early drillings. What they used as a datum was flora and fauna in the rocks above a seam, one such drilling they were unsure of the seam, it was thought to be the deep hard seam, but flora didn't agree, so they just called it an unknown seam. The reason they were "lost" was it was too close to the surface, and they didn't expect any coal for a few hundred feet further down... In fact they were spot on, it was the Deep Hard seam, all the strata had lifted and the seam outcropped a couple more miles further south west.
This wouldn't be known until the NCB did extensive drilling in the 1950's to prove coal reserves for a new colliery.
As far as I'm aware, there is no coal seams in North Yorks south of the Tees, remember Cleveland Potash, Shell, ICI and numerous other companies drilled across the Yorkshire Moors to the coast looking for oil.. Very little found, but a good potash formation was found. Again, as far as I'm aware, no coal seams were found in either No1 or No2 shaft at Boulby.
So at a rough guess, the seams were either washed out, or outcrop north of Selby. I'm probably wrong here john, I bought a little paper booklet years ago from a pub in Goathland about the iron ore mines on the Yorkshire moors. I'm sure it said they was a very poor quality seam of coal that was worked by one of the mines. My mind is probably playing tricks on me. I've got the booklet somewhere, when I get chance I'll dig it out. I'n not saying there isn't a coal seam or two, I just doubt it, I worked with a couple of the guys who worked on shaft sinking at Boulby, neither mentioned anything about coal seams gone through, the shafts went through the old workings of Boulby Ironstone mine. Boubly shafts are 3/4 of a mile deep, what's that?? 2.2Km's??
I doubt coal deposits exist under the potash or salt beds, wrong kind of strata, as it was an ancient tropical inland sea that stretched acroos the ancient Continent that existed before our present Continents. The sea was much like the Dead Sea of the Middle East. Now there is an Anhydrite seam below the salt seam, I often wondered if it was the one ICI worked near Billingham? As the potash beds start to rise to the north..
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Post by andyexplorer on Mar 22, 2014 19:44:49 GMT -5
The British Jeffrey Diamond B61 Buttock Shearer was installed on the first mechanised face in the Whinmoor which if I remember correctly was Z01. The average seam thickness in the Whinmoor was about 48". The shearer was chain driven and the chain was handled by Beechdale tensioner at both Main gate and Tail gate ends. The machine was designed for thin seam and although not specifically for Emley Moor, we were the test bed and if we could make it work, it would be just the ticket for the likes of Ireland (Derbyshire) and Dearne Valley (South Yorks) who also had thin to medium seams. It was an inweb shearer and not panzer (AFC) mounted so it was ideal for the Whinmoor. Although not many of us had seen a shearer and chocks before, as miners do, we took to it like a duck to water. Its sure easier that breaking in to 18 yard plus of Beeston and loading it on your side with a shovel. No i am not related to Haydn Barrett. Love your posts on this pit even though dated , really interesting reading full of information cheers
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Post by Wheldale on Mar 23, 2014 8:08:16 GMT -5
I'm probably wrong here john, I bought a little paper booklet years ago from a pub in Goathland about the iron ore mines on the Yorkshire moors. I'm sure it said they was a very poor quality seam of coal that was worked by one of the mines. My mind is probably playing tricks on me. I've got the booklet somewhere, when I get chance I'll dig it out. I'n not saying there isn't a coal seam or two, I just doubt it, I worked with a couple of the guys who worked on shaft sinking at Boulby, neither mentioned anything about coal seams gone through, the shafts went through the old workings of Boulby Ironstone mine. Boubly shafts are 3/4 of a mile deep, what's that?? 2.2Km's??
I doubt coal deposits exist under the potash or salt beds, wrong kind of strata, as it was an ancient tropical inland sea that stretched acroos the ancient Continent that existed before our present Continents. The sea was much like the Dead Sea of the Middle East. Now there is an Anhydrite seam below the salt seam, I often wondered if it was the one ICI worked near Billingham? As the potash beds start to rise to the north..Heres an link to minerals in the North Yorkshire Moors. There looks to be a few coal seams scattered about but not near Boulby. www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/359254/Minerals-Paper-May-2013.pdf
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Post by Wheldale on Mar 23, 2014 8:13:08 GMT -5
Would i be right in thinking the depth of seam North of York was to great for any older workings? Would Thorne Colliery further South be the most Easterly Colliery worked in Yorkshire? North Selby was 1000 meters deep, Thorne was about 950 meters deep. Thorne used to be the most eastern pit but I'm not sure if infact one of the selby pits was just abit further east? I'd look on google maps tomorrow. I think after looking on Google maps that Thorne was the most easterly sunk pit in Yorkshire but probably the Selby workings mined further east than Thorne.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2014 8:40:47 GMT -5
I'n not saying there isn't a coal seam or two, I just doubt it, I worked with a couple of the guys who worked on shaft sinking at Boulby, neither mentioned anything about coal seams gone through, the shafts went through the old workings of Boulby Ironstone mine. Boubly shafts are 3/4 of a mile deep, what's that?? 2.2Km's??
I doubt coal deposits exist under the potash or salt beds, wrong kind of strata, as it was an ancient tropical inland sea that stretched acroos the ancient Continent that existed before our present Continents. The sea was much like the Dead Sea of the Middle East. Now there is an Anhydrite seam below the salt seam, I often wondered if it was the one ICI worked near Billingham? As the potash beds start to rise to the north.. Heres an link to minerals in the North Yorkshire Moors. There looks to be a few coal seams scattered about but not near Boulby. www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/359254/Minerals-Paper-May-2013.pdf Interesting paper on the parks minerals, I wonder if the coal in the park could have been linked to the lowest poor quality seams found in the Yorkshire coalfield and Durham fields then, an "uplift" of the lowest coal measures? Like I said, the only way to identify the seam/s is by examining the flora and fauna above and below the seam/s.
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Post by tygwyn on Mar 23, 2014 8:49:56 GMT -5
Wheldale, Any idea how far East North Selby or Whitemoor worked? As someone mentioned to me that there was opposition to it going under the Derwent SSSI area?
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Post by Wheldale on Mar 23, 2014 9:09:43 GMT -5
From what I remember Tygwyn, the river Derwent formed the eastern planning permission boundary. UK Coal seeked permission for Riccall to drive two headings past the boundary for exploration purposes. The planning application was turned down due to opposition from the local councils/communities.
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Post by dazbt on Mar 23, 2014 9:23:39 GMT -5
Interesting paper on the parks minerals, I wonder if the coal in the park could have been linked to the lowest poor quality seams found in the Yorkshire coalfield and Durham fields then, an "uplift" of the lowest coal measures? Like I said, the only way to identify the seam/s is by examining the flora and fauna above and below the seam/s. There is a coal pit listed at Barrowby about three miles South from Boulby. There are other coal mines listed slightly inland of Boulby There is a recorded fairly extensive coal field at depths greater than 1,200mt that runs East from Grosmont and as far as Mulgrave to the North, a seam 0.6mt of poor quality coal lies below Robin Hood's Bay. There had been hundreds of small coalmines in North Yorkshire extending to the most Northern boundaries of the county. Ingleton in North Yorkshire had a fairly extensive coal mining history, quite a few coal mines in hat area.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2014 9:52:36 GMT -5
Interesting paper on the parks minerals, I wonder if the coal in the park could have been linked to the lowest poor quality seams found in the Yorkshire coalfield and Durham fields then, an "uplift" of the lowest coal measures? Like I said, the only way to identify the seam/s is by examining the flora and fauna above and below the seam/s. There is a coal pit listed at Barrowby about three miles South from Boulby. There are other coal mines listed slightly inland of Boulby There is a recorded fairly extensive coal field at depths greater than 1,200mt that runs East from Grosmont and as far as Mulgrave to the North, a seam 0.6mt of poor quality coal lies below Robin Hood's Bay. There had been hundreds of small coalmines in North Yorkshire extending to the most Northern boundaries of the county. Ingleton in North Yorkshire had a fairly extensive coal mining history, quite a few coal mines in hat area. Just looking at borehole records of the Robin Hoods Bay and Whitby areas, sadly many are confidential, or just start logging at 3000 plus feet, or too shallow to show much information.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2014 11:06:31 GMT -5
There is a coal pit listed at Barrowby about three miles South from Boulby. There are other coal mines listed slightly inland of Boulby There is a recorded fairly extensive coal field at depths greater than 1,200mt that runs East from Grosmont and as far as Mulgrave to the North, a seam 0.6mt of poor quality coal lies below Robin Hood's Bay. There had been hundreds of small coalmines in North Yorkshire extending to the most Northern boundaries of the county. Ingleton in North Yorkshire had a fairly extensive coal mining history, quite a few coal mines in hat area. Just looking at borehole records of the Robin Hoods Bay and Whitby areas, sadly many are confidential, or just start logging at 3000 plus feet, or too shallow to show much information. I found one borehole drilled for Dorman Long just south of Guisborough, showed two inferior coal seams, one at 10" thick @ 10ft 6ins depth and one 1ft 9" @ 48ft 9" depth.
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Post by ardtullaich on Jan 17, 2016 7:52:26 GMT -5
Cortonwood was correct about the Whinmoor Seam dirt band. As I recall at Emley Moor when we were working the Whinmoor the dirt band was about 12/13 inches thick on average. the dirt band appeared to contain a lot of cannel and the odd bit of fools gold (Iron Pyrites). Me my Dad, Harry Taylor and Roy Sedgwick were the 4 man team opening out the face lines using an AB15 with a 6ft jib, mounted on a very small panzer and advanced forward and into cut using two jumbo rams which were attached to two Desford mushroom chocks. The whole thing was known as a "waffler" and was cobbled together by Chris Scott, the colliery mechanical engineer. The parts were all scrap items which had been lying around other Yorkshire pits stock and scrap yards. Apparently everyone at area thought we were crackers until we began to break and set records for a drivage with that type of set up. Bear in mind, that set up had left the industry 10/15 years or more. We drove the face lines and salvaged/installed them. Personally, I look back on it as a great time working at a smashing little pit Was my first job from leaving school working down Emley moor had great times till my accident, all though my accident was at the bottom of the manrider I always got spooked riding in the cage after that . My family all worked there from deputies to overmen. Miss my Family miss the pit.
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Post by ardtullaich on Feb 15, 2016 8:00:59 GMT -5
The main downcast shaft at Emley Moor was about 128 yards (390 feet). The return air (Upcast) came up a drift which was just off the vertical in the top corner of the pit yard. You travelled to both the Beeston and Whinmoor seams down the belt manrider in the Beeston drift. To access the Whinmoor you went down a further short drift which came off Y08 left hand tailgate level ,which was known as the "Back Gate". You could also access the Whinmoor at the return end, which was short drift off the old Beeston Y04 main gate. All return air went out via the old Blocking seam drift and then up the old paddy road to the vertical drift at the back of the main downcast. Emley Moor had the paddy road because at one time it was linked up through the Bently dip to Park Mill Colliery for ventilation purposes. I would say the Beeston seam workings lay at about 550ft and the Whinmoor at about 600 ft. The average annual Beeston output from handfilling would have been between 180000 and 250000 tonnes because we always worked one full coal face every day and the spare face turned over maybe 2 or 3 days at most per week. The mechanised Whinmoor had just one face and average annual output would have been between 390000 and 450000 tonnes. By gum this brings back memories. I remember starting on the screens at shat cos I wasn't old enough to go down the pit till I was 16
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Post by ncbnik on Jun 12, 2016 7:15:19 GMT -5
Although the list is longer from nationalisation I have C&P'd this list from Wikipedia. I'll compile the complete list from 1947 as soon as I find it. * Acton Hall 1985 * Allerton Bywater 1994 * Askern 1991 * Barnburgh 1989 * Barnsley Main 1991 [had originally closed in 1966, but reopened to transfer workforce from defunct 'Barrow' pit in 1985] * Bentley 1993 * Brodsworth 1990 * Brookhouse 1985 * Bullcliffe Wood 1985 (merged with Denby Grange) * Cadeby & Denaby 1986 * Caphouse 1985 (merged with Denby Grange) Still "open" as the National Coal Mining Museum * Cortonwood 1985 * Darfield 1989 (merged with Houghton) * Dearne Valley 1991 * Denby Grange 1991 * Dinnington 1991 * Dodworth 1987 (between 1985-7, only Redbrook shaft operated - known as 'Redbrook Colliery') * Emley Moor 1985 * Ferrymoor 1985 (merged with South Kirkby) * Frickley/South Elmsall 1993 * Fryston 1985 * Gascoigne Wood* 2004 * Glasshoughton 1986 * Goldthorpe 1994 * Grimethorpe 1992 * Hatfield 2004 [Previously closed in 1993 and in 2001 but reopened both times.] * Hickleton 1986 (merged with Goldthorpe) * Houghton 1992 * Kellingley still open * Kilnhurst 1989 * Kinsley 1986 * Kiveton Park 1994 * Ledston Luck 1986 * Maltby still open * Manvers Main 1988 * Markham Main 1992. There is also a colliery just called 'Markham', which is in Derbyshire * Newmarket Silkstone 1983 * North Gawber 1985 (merged with Woolley) * North Selby* 1999 * Nostell 1987 * Park Mill 1989 * Prince of Wales 2002 * Riccall* 2004 * Rossington 2006 * Royston 1989 * Saville (at Normanton) 1985 (often confused with the 'Savile & Shawcross Colliery', which had closed in 1968} * Sharlston 1993 * Silverwood 1994 (merged with Maltby) * South Kirkby 1988 * Stillingfleet* 2004 * Thurcroft 1991 * Treeton 1990 * Wath 1986 (merged with Manvers) * Wheldale 1987 * Whitemoor*1998 * Wistow* 2004 * Woolley 1987 * Yorkshire Main 1985 Here's some missing from the above list: some from my memory some from Dazbt & Erichall Aldwarke 1961 Barley Hill Barrow Carlton Main Don Pedro (points awarded if you know where this was!) Fox (drift) Gomersal 1973 Hoyland Silkstone Manor (Wakefield) Methley Junction Middleton Mitchells Main Newmillerdam 1981 New Stubbin 1978 Park Hill (not to be confused with Mill) Peckfield Rob Royd Rockingham Rothwell (Fanny Pit) Shuttle Eye 1973 Skier Spring (drift) Snydale St John's (Newland) Thorpe Hesley Upton Walton (formally Sharlston West) Waterloo (Leeds) West Riding (Pope & Pearsons) Wharncliffe (Pilley) Whitwood (Briggs') Wombwell Main I might get around to finding closure dates of these - one day - but if anyone else would like to... Kellingley, sadly now closed 2015 One other thing, Savile was really nearer Castleford than Normanton, in fact a spit & throw from Methley Junc. Come on then where was Don Pedro?!
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