daz
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Butty
Sept 15, 2005 7:04:14 GMT -5
Post by daz on Sept 15, 2005 7:04:14 GMT -5
Penblwydd Hapus Butty...........(I think??) ;D
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Butty
Apr 30, 2020 11:37:34 GMT -5
Post by merlin on Apr 30, 2020 11:37:34 GMT -5
why are you called butty in north waes a butty is a sandwich
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Butty
Apr 30, 2020 14:18:07 GMT -5
Post by John on Apr 30, 2020 14:18:07 GMT -5
why are you called butty in north waes a butty is a sandwich I think that goes back to private enterprise, the "Butty" hired men on to work a "stint", the colliery owner paid the Butty and he paid his men. I recall reading in Notts mining history about the "Butty system". which was common in all coalfields before nationalization. From then on it died out as men were fully employed by the NCB then, although contract work still prevailed right up to the NPLA in the mid to late 1960's. I remember face men would argue a contract with the Deputy to get a damaged trailing cable outbye after they had finished their shift on the face. Again that ended under the NPLA, then if they wanted to work a bit of overtime, they'd be given a couple of hours to get the cable outbye, job and knock.
The old contract faces under the NCB were under the old Power Loader scheme, where before a face started up, the face lads would argue a "norm" of say two shears, then come on contract for so much a shear. They usually talked the Manager into around 2 1/2 shears, I don't recall any faces with a higher "norm" on any face I worked on. The only problem with contracts was no coal, no pay, not strictly true though, they had a negotiated "fall back rate" which was generally much less that the hourly paid men, but when they were cutting in good conditions , 50 quid a week was not unheard of, (good pay in the early to mid 60's), and records probably would bring in a bonus.
Once the NPLA came into force, all new faces had a flat rate pay of 25 quid a week for all day wage men on the faces, including the elecs, fitters and chock fitters.
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Butty
May 7, 2020 0:33:34 GMT -5
Post by maverick on May 7, 2020 0:33:34 GMT -5
Are you sure John.
I remember PLA as £26.08 per shift and face men got 100% of their face bonus. Headers got £26.08 per shift and 100% of their heading bonus, then contract rates for periods where they required speedily driven headings Road men such as gangers or dinters got outbye rate and 65% of the colliery average bonus. Fitters and electricians got PLA and 100% of the pit average bonus for heading and faces, 65% for roadway work. If you worked in the shaft you got a 6 hour shift, PLA, and 100% bonus and paid for the full 8 hours.
Due to the heat we got water money and heat money, but this was double water money and double heat money per heading shift as they were so hot that technically they should have been shut and nobody allowed in them, we also got salt tablets and they were taken home and crushed for the salt pot, very nice.
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Butty
May 7, 2020 5:42:18 GMT -5
Post by John on May 7, 2020 5:42:18 GMT -5
Are you sure John. I remember PLA as £26.08 per shift and face men got 100% of their face bonus. Headers got £26.08 per shift and 100% of their heading bonus, then contract rates for periods where they required speedily driven headings Road men such as gangers or dinters got outbye rate and 65% of the colliery average bonus. Fitters and electricians got PLA and 100% of the pit average bonus for heading and faces, 65% for roadway work. If you worked in the shaft you got a 6 hour shift, PLA, and 100% bonus and paid for the full 8 hours. Due to the heat we got water money and heat money, but this was double water money and double heat money per heading shift as they were so hot that technically they should have been shut and nobody allowed in them, we also got salt tablets and they were taken home and crushed for the salt pot, very nice.
You're on about the NPLA, which came in sometime in the late 1960's, around 66/67. Pre that all miners got contracts under the old PLA, everyone else was "daywage" ie hourly pay. The NPLA was 25 quid for face men, including the elecs and fitters on the faces, and development was also NPLA, 25 quid a week for the develop men, elecs and fitters just got day rates. At that time there was no bonus. I left Cotgrave in November of 1968, they had five faces working, I'm pretty sure three were PLA and two were NPLA.
Heat?? Boulby Potash Mine had a few areas in the 40's C!! Upper 40's at that when I started there, very low humidity though, in the single digits, once acclimatized it wasn't so bad, but we we warned NEVER over do anything, take everything easy. With such low humidity, wet and dry bulb readings were around the same readings, taken weekly by the Ventilation Officer. Shorts and tee shirts were our "uniform" there, I'd hazard a guess it's even hotter now as they are working a different mineral much deeper.
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Butty
May 7, 2020 22:04:26 GMT -5
Post by maverick on May 7, 2020 22:04:26 GMT -5
Got you now John, you are talking earlier than me which was the forerunner to the latter PLA scheme adopted across Nottinghamshire coalfields.
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