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Post by smshogun on Dec 9, 2015 22:12:38 GMT -5
The new free gas system is up and running, we now have free gas produced solely from wind and rain and myself and three other villagers are now running solely on free gas produced by wind and water.
This system is a home built system based upon a dry cell HHO gas generator running off 12 volts provided by a wind turbine rated at 700 watts, it is one of the higher spec turbines sourced from one of our roofing divisions suppliers of turbines, this feeds a top spec voltage regulator adjusted to run in two modes, one at a regulated 12 volts and the other at battery charging voltage to charge a large 12 v battery pack of 10 Kw which are made from submarine cells and still have nearly 8 years warranty left on them which have been wired series/parallel. Our HHO generator is one of my own designs and produces 60 LPM of HHO at 30 amps when in gas production mode and this is filtered through a water bubbler which is simply a tank of water, from here it goes into a water balanced gas bladder which displaces water as the bladder fills with low pressure HHO and when the bladder is 90% full it activates a water float switch which triggers a 12 v gas pump which compresses the gas into a 3000l commercial gas storage tank, from here it goes into our own gas grid to supply all four properties.
When the gas storage tank is full it changes from gas production mode to battery charging mode and charges the battery pack until fully charged, once charged it has a feedback circuit from the voltage regulator which triggers the electromagnetic brake which shuts the turbine down and engages a clutch and stepper motor to turn the head 90 degrees to the wind and feather the pitch of the blades to 0 degrees.
Other work was necessary, it feeds combination boilers in all four properties, as I have geothermal heat ours is only used for hot water and as a back up for any geothermal system failure, the other properties all use them for heating and hot water so it was necessary to change the burners to those suitable for HHO and adjust the air accordingly and we have a qualified man to do that, and he did. Other changes were to the jets in the gas cookers, they make jets to cover all gases and had some suitable jets for HHO.
We have all found that HHO runs much hotter than natural gas so we have to be careful when cooking using the ovens or grills and some learning is required, but apart from that its been working faultlessly.
We are going to trial it for a year to find any unforeseen issues then upgrade it to supply the whole village. |
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Post by harry on Dec 12, 2015 18:50:34 GMT -5
The new free gas system is up and running, we now have free gas produced solely from wind and rain and myself and three other villagers are now running solely on free gas produced by wind and water.
This system is a home built system based upon a dry cell HHO gas generator running off 12 volts provided by a wind turbine rated at 700 watts, it is one of the higher spec turbines sourced from one of our roofing divisions suppliers of turbines, this feeds a top spec voltage regulator adjusted to run in two modes, one at a regulated 12 volts and the other at battery charging voltage to charge a large 12 v battery pack of 10 Kw which are made from submarine cells and still have nearly 8 years warranty left on them which have been wired series/parallel. Our HHO generator is one of my own designs and produces 60 LPM of HHO at 30 amps when in gas production mode and this is filtered through a water bubbler which is simply a tank of water, from here it goes into a water balanced gas bladder which displaces water as the bladder fills with low pressure HHO and when the bladder is 90% full it activates a water float switch which triggers a 12 v gas pump which compresses the gas into a 3000l commercial gas storage tank, from here it goes into our own gas grid to supply all four properties.
When the gas storage tank is full it changes from gas production mode to battery charging mode and charges the battery pack until fully charged, once charged it has a feedback circuit from the voltage regulator which triggers the electromagnetic brake which shuts the turbine down and engages a clutch and stepper motor to turn the head 90 degrees to the wind and feather the pitch of the blades to 0 degrees.
Other work was necessary, it feeds combination boilers in all four properties, as I have geothermal heat ours is only used for hot water and as a back up for any geothermal system failure, the other properties all use them for heating and hot water so it was necessary to change the burners to those suitable for HHO and adjust the air accordingly and we have a qualified man to do that, and he did. Other changes were to the jets in the gas cookers, they make jets to cover all gases and had some suitable jets for HHO.
We have all found that HHO runs much hotter than natural gas so we have to be careful when cooking using the ovens or grills and some learning is required, but apart from that its been working faultlessly.
We are going to trial it for a year to find any unforeseen issues then upgrade it to supply the whole village. |
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Post by harry on Dec 12, 2015 18:54:17 GMT -5
I'm really sorry but this is absolute rubbish. Is the site set up to entertain claims such as this - and there are many others.
I am still enjoying working through some of the links I was provided with regarding mining - so thanks for that, but some of the stuff that is posted really does devalue the site.
If I'm not back before the holidays have a great Christmas everyone.
Harry.
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Post by smshogun on Dec 13, 2015 11:29:07 GMT -5
Intriguing, why would you post such rubbish and make such claims and disappear for a while, are you a troll, just uneducated, or simply posting an uneducated and ill considered opinion. Have you studied the mining industry, worked in the mining industry, and have you studied how the mining industry has been used as a political football by both main political parties and more recently the EU to make it easier for them to achieve their objective of the takeover of Europe in its entirety.
If you had actually done some research you would see the EU agenda and agree they want no self sufficient states and see how they used environmental legislation to bring the industry down, so yes it has a lot to do with coal mining not just in the UK, but Europe; you would also see that with coal any member state can be self sufficient in power such as gas, it would be the old town gas which we had until they changed to natural gas in the 70's and we would have electricity supplied by coal fuelled steam generation, and petrol and diesel which means self sufficiency as we had the essentials to remain self sufficient.
You would also see the creeping takeover by the EU would be halted by self sufficient states and our economy would thrive by not having to comply with the costly burgeoning bureaucracy imposed upon us by the EU and the fact we could also break the domination and control of the massively powerful oil cartels as due to the massive increases in oil prices we could now produce massive quantities of coal and produce our own coal derived fuels cheaper than current fuels meaning lower petrol and diesel prices and lower overheads for industry. Lower overheads for industry would mean a lot fewer of the jobs previously undertaken in the UK would have been exported to third world countries making more profits for the large corporations. From this alone we could conclude that by using coal the EU would have no control, consider that financially we pay the EU £58M PER DAY and we only get 46% of that back (official Govt figures) so why are we giving over £30M to the EU everyday for nothing, where is this money going to as there are no audited accounts for it; also consider that we would have nearly full employment and paying out minimal benefits so another considerable saving, and our hospitals, councils, police forces, and other public bodies would be adequately financed. Consider the fact there would be a lot more disposable income meaning our town and city centres would be full of shops and facilities making them thrive, and more jobs means more skills training for more people. We would buy more products keeping more British industries alive, look at the massive break up of British industry, Cadburys owned by the American corps, Jaguar and Land Rover owned by the Indians, MG owned by the Chinese, there are many more as most of what we owned has been sold off.
We can now conclude that the EU have closed the UK mining industry and we are entering the next phase of their agenda, they might have stopped coal mining but the resources still remain and they are ours, this means the potential to open new coal mines and mine coal and they have to stop coal being mined by destroying it, sound far fetched? actually its already begun and very few realise it, its called FRACKING and this destroys the coal and surrounding strata and extracts the very methane contained in the coal which makes it combustible to the extent it is. By destroying the surrounding strata it makes it nearly impossible to mine, and very expensive.
Next time you make such silly claims at least put some reasoning to it and debate the issue instead of just making silly claims with no reasoning behind it. |
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Post by harry on Dec 13, 2015 13:44:42 GMT -5
Intriguing, why would you post such rubbish and make such claims and disappear for a while, are you a troll, just uneducated, or simply posting an uneducated and ill considered opinion. Have you studied the mining industry, worked in the mining industry, and have you studied how the mining industry has been used as a political football by both main political parties and more recently the EU to make it easier for them to achieve their objective of the takeover of Europe in its entirety.
If you had actually done some research you would see the EU agenda and agree they want no self sufficient states and see how they used environmental legislation to bring the industry down, so yes it has a lot to do with coal mining not just in the UK, but Europe; you would also see that with coal any member state can be self sufficient in power such as gas, it would be the old town gas which we had until they changed to natural gas in the 70's and we would have electricity supplied by coal fuelled steam generation, and petrol and diesel which means self sufficiency as we had the essentials to remain self sufficient.
You would also see the creeping takeover by the EU would be halted by self sufficient states and our economy would thrive by not having to comply with the costly burgeoning bureaucracy imposed upon us by the EU and the fact we could also break the domination and control of the massively powerful oil cartels as due to the massive increases in oil prices we could now produce massive quantities of coal and produce our own coal derived fuels cheaper than current fuels meaning lower petrol and diesel prices and lower overheads for industry. Lower overheads for industry would mean a lot fewer of the jobs previously undertaken in the UK would have been exported to third world countries making more profits for the large corporations. From this alone we could conclude that by using coal the EU would have no control, consider that financially we pay the EU £58M PER DAY and we only get 46% of that back (official Govt figures) so why are we giving over £30M to the EU everyday for nothing, where is this money going to as there are no audited accounts for it; also consider that we would have nearly full employment and paying out minimal benefits so another considerable saving, and our hospitals, councils, police forces, and other public bodies would be adequately financed. Consider the fact there would be a lot more disposable income meaning our town and city centres would be full of shops and facilities making them thrive, and more jobs means more skills training for more people. We would buy more products keeping more British industries alive, look at the massive break up of British industry, Cadburys owned by the American corps, Jaguar and Land Rover owned by the Indians, MG owned by the Chinese, there are many more as most of what we owned has been sold off.
We can now conclude that the EU have closed the UK mining industry and we are entering the next phase of their agenda, they might have stopped coal mining but the resources still remain and they are ours, this means the potential to open new coal mines and mine coal and they have to stop coal being mined by destroying it, sound far fetched? actually its already begun and very few realise it, its called FRACKING and this destroys the coal and surrounding strata and extracts the very methane contained in the coal which makes it combustible to the extent it is. By destroying the surrounding strata it makes it nearly impossible to mine, and very expensive.
Next time you make such silly claims at least put some reasoning to it and debate the issue instead of just making silly claims with no reasoning behind it. I was not commenting on the demise/history of coal etc. I was commenting on your latest claim(s) which you embelish with all sorts of other claims. It's not a very pleasant word this - but you're a liar. I don't understand your motivations, but the fact of the matter is, you're a compulsive liar. Now, as I said before, I don't know whether this site is set up to be a platform for people to make such claims, but claims such as yours just erode the credibility of the site. I'm working my way through archive files and photographs which were provided for me from this site and I'm very grateful to be able to learn from archives and facts - I don't need or want to read through your ridiculous posts/claims. |
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Post by John on Dec 13, 2015 14:10:34 GMT -5
Intriguing, why would you post such rubbish and make such claims and disappear for a while, are you a troll, just uneducated, or simply posting an uneducated and ill considered opinion. Have you studied the mining industry, worked in the mining industry, and have you studied how the mining industry has been used as a political football by both main political parties and more recently the EU to make it easier for them to achieve their objective of the takeover of Europe in its entirety.
If you had actually done some research you would see the EU agenda and agree they want no self sufficient states and see how they used environmental legislation to bring the industry down, so yes it has a lot to do with coal mining not just in the UK, but Europe; you would also see that with coal any member state can be self sufficient in power such as gas, it would be the old town gas which we had until they changed to natural gas in the 70's and we would have electricity supplied by coal fuelled steam generation, and petrol and diesel which means self sufficiency as we had the essentials to remain self sufficient.
You would also see the creeping takeover by the EU would be halted by self sufficient states and our economy would thrive by not having to comply with the costly burgeoning bureaucracy imposed upon us by the EU and the fact we could also break the domination and control of the massively powerful oil cartels as due to the massive increases in oil prices we could now produce massive quantities of coal and produce our own coal derived fuels cheaper than current fuels meaning lower petrol and diesel prices and lower overheads for industry. Lower overheads for industry would mean a lot fewer of the jobs previously undertaken in the UK would have been exported to third world countries making more profits for the large corporations. From this alone we could conclude that by using coal the EU would have no control, consider that financially we pay the EU £58M PER DAY and we only get 46% of that back (official Govt figures) so why are we giving over £30M to the EU everyday for nothing, where is this money going to as there are no audited accounts for it; also consider that we would have nearly full employment and paying out minimal benefits so another considerable saving, and our hospitals, councils, police forces, and other public bodies would be adequately financed. Consider the fact there would be a lot more disposable income meaning our town and city centres would be full of shops and facilities making them thrive, and more jobs means more skills training for more people. We would buy more products keeping more British industries alive, look at the massive break up of British industry, Cadburys owned by the American corps, Jaguar and Land Rover owned by the Indians, MG owned by the Chinese, there are many more as most of what we owned has been sold off.
We can now conclude that the EU have closed the UK mining industry and we are entering the next phase of their agenda, they might have stopped coal mining but the resources still remain and they are ours, this means the potential to open new coal mines and mine coal and they have to stop coal being mined by destroying it, sound far fetched? actually its already begun and very few realise it, its called FRACKING and this destroys the coal and surrounding strata and extracts the very methane contained in the coal which makes it combustible to the extent it is. By destroying the surrounding strata it makes it nearly impossible to mine, and very expensive.
Next time you make such silly claims at least put some reasoning to it and debate the issue instead of just making silly claims with no reasoning behind it. I was not commenting on the demise/history of coal etc. I was commenting on your latest claim(s) which you embroil with all sorts of other claims. It's not a very pleasant word this - but you're a liar. I don't understand your motivations, but the fact of the matter is, you're a compulsive liar. Now, as I said before, I don't know whether this site is set up to be a platform for people to make such claims, but claims such as yours just erode the credibility of the site. I'm working my way through archive files and photographs which were provided for me from this site and I'm very grateful to be able to learn from archives and facts - I don't need or want to read through your ridiculous posts/claims. |
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Post by John on Dec 13, 2015 14:18:12 GMT -5
Smshogun, have you ever come across a pump that uses free energy, it's called a "jet ram pump" When we lived in Australia a friend of ours, a large scale farmer showed me his pump, it provided water for the house from a year round creek with a head of water. A nickname is a "clack pump" or something like it, due to the noise it makes while pumping.
It doesn't lift a lot of water each cycle, but kept his large water tank at the house full, year around.
It's the only one I've ever seen in use, and was the first time I'd ever heard of one. Simple but ingenious. Sadly I don't have ant water courses on my land, would save me the expense of running a 2hp well pump and the maintenance the very deep well needs every so many years.
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Post by smshogun on Dec 14, 2015 7:16:16 GMT -5
John, come across something called a hammer pump which uses a small motor to start it, this once at speed creates low pressure steam and part of the steam uses a bypass to drive the pump so its self sustaining. It works much like a car engine with a small motor spinning it up and the motor stops much like a car starter motor, it then sustains itself and is a great source of heating.
Mate has a groundworks business and all his plant and equipment comes in filthy, they jet wash it and put it in a small room next to their workshop and its so warm it dries their equipment out in a couple of hours, I did the piping for it and its a beautiful piece of kit which once it has about 20 seconds of the 1/2 hp motor buzzing it up to speed sustains itself providing hot water and low pressure steam for heating and his runs for a year non stop, he stopped it after a year for maintenance and as he says, he can live with a small electric motor running for 20 seconds to give him a free year of heating.
He imported his from the States and he won't tell me how much it cost but as he says its a business expense anyway, what he has told me is that it paid for itself in its first year of operation which included the piping and heating system which I built to their plans. He claims the manufacturers of these hammer pumps have had one running for four years non stop which means it has considerable potential as a heating source and as a sealed system it doesn't lose water. His is into its second year of operation now and his guys love having such a warm workshop particularly during the winter.
Had I not had geothermal heating in I would have looked at them and see if they did a smaller sized pump for domestic heating. |
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Post by smshogun on Dec 14, 2015 7:24:52 GMT -5
Found a video on its initial development from 2006.
Obviously things have moved on from then and now the motor only spins it up to speed and its self sustaining from then. |
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Post by colly0410 on Dec 14, 2015 11:26:40 GMT -5
Remember reading something about this years ago in 'new scientist' magazine, they said it 'appeared' to break the laws of physics. They admitted they didn't know how it worked at the time but would let us know when they'd worked it all out. Never heard nowt more about it until I read this. Wonder how/why it works?
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Post by smshogun on Dec 14, 2015 13:41:29 GMT -5
It works by smashing water through a system of holes in a drum, these act as both vacuum and pressure reservoirs and allow water out between very confined spaces which acts like multiple hammers hitting the water which heats it up, this is nothing new in itself but its the way it smashes water in very small quantities which gives it excess heat.
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Post by tygwyn on Dec 14, 2015 15:44:42 GMT -5
Smshogun, have you ever come across a pump that uses free energy, it's called a "jet ram pump" When we lived in Australia a friend of ours, a large scale farmer showed me his pump, it provided water for the house from a year round creek with a head of water. A nickname is a "clack pump" or something like it, due to the noise it makes while pumping.
It doesn't lift a lot of water each cycle, but kept his large water tank at the house full, year around.
It's the only one I've ever seen in use, and was the first time I'd ever heard of one. Simple but ingenious. Sadly I don't have ant water courses on my land, would save me the expense of running a 2hp well pump and the maintenance the very deep well needs every so many years.
Them Ram Pumps have been around for many year`s,need`s a header tank to pressurize the system,then its bob`s your uncle,will lift water 100s of feet,like you say,not a lot of water in a cycle,but goes non stop. You could still buy them a few year`s back ,seen them advertised. |
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Post by John on Dec 14, 2015 16:01:57 GMT -5
Smshogun, have you ever come across a pump that uses free energy, it's called a "jet ram pump" When we lived in Australia a friend of ours, a large scale farmer showed me his pump, it provided water for the house from a year round creek with a head of water. A nickname is a "clack pump" or something like it, due to the noise it makes while pumping.
It doesn't lift a lot of water each cycle, but kept his large water tank at the house full, year around.
It's the only one I've ever seen in use, and was the first time I'd ever heard of one. Simple but ingenious. Sadly I don't have ant water courses on my land, would save me the expense of running a 2hp well pump and the maintenance the very deep well needs every so many years.
Them Ram Pumps have been around for many year`s,need`s a header tank to pressurize the system,then its bob`s your uncle,will lift water 100s of feet,like you say,not a lot of water in a cycle,but goes non stop. You could still buy them a few year`s back ,seen them advertised.
The only "moving parts" are two check valves. |
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Post by eleceng on Dec 15, 2015 7:47:13 GMT -5
Many of us who have served the mining industry for many years are interested in subjects not solely with coal mining. And we must be aware of outside influences that have caused the closure if this industry. Also the demise of all manufacturing in Britain. No ship building, no steel plants, energy, water, motor & many more foreign owned. With the blessing of all governments.
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Post by smshogun on Dec 15, 2015 8:12:37 GMT -5
Yes I am aware of them John thanks to Tygwyn mentioning the header tank, divided by a common language. We actually have one running on some land I own.
A while ago a farmer friend wanted some land and his neighbour had some for sale, they didn't get on and he refused to sell it him so I bought it instead, mate had some land which was an awkward shape to farm with modern farming equipment, in the sale document it had a contract stating the land had to remain for agricultural purposes and I couldn't sell it to my mate so we did a deal and swapped land instead, I still own the land I bought but he farms it, he still owns the land we swapped but I turned it into allotments which was my intention from the outset, contractual conditions were circumvented and we both got what we wanted.
After levelling out the land and dividing it into plots we needed water and the land sloped down at one side to a brook, at that time we were doing two partial demolitions and I instructed my Project Managers to save me any tanks and piping and they came up with two beautiful stainless tanks and miles of piping which would normally be disposed of, these were diverted to the allotments and mounted next to the brook, after installing a small coffer dam we had a head of water sufficiently deep all year round, one of our guys from work made such a pump to feed the tanks. I made and buried the stainless steel piping so now the allotments have water albeit with 2" underground pipes. When the tanks are full water runs straight out of the overflow and back into the brook.
You can't use a hosepipe in the normal manner but allotment holders can fill their water barrels from the tanks or hold a hosepipe and let it run to irrigate their plots.
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