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Post by harry on Feb 16, 2016 17:17:48 GMT -5
These don't hang from a rope. But perhaps you should. Charlatan. You've been found out Sir. How you conduct yourself on the many internet sites which you troll is despicable and rather desperate, sad even. John - please do undertake a little due diligence on this member. He is singularly responsible for degrading numerous websites with his ridiculous claims and banned from many more. |
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Post by dazbt on Feb 18, 2016 9:46:34 GMT -5
These don't hang from a rope. But perhaps you should. Charlatan. You've been found out Sir. How you conduct yourself on the many internet sites which you troll is despicable and rather desperate, sad even. John - please do undertake a little due diligence on this member. He is singularly responsible for degrading numerous websites with his ridiculous claims and banned from many more.
Chill out Harry, relax, you are not alone, as good old Willie used to say;
Be not afeard. The isle is full of noises,
Sounds, and sweet airs that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices
That, if I then had waked after long sleep,
Will make me sleep again. And then, in dreaming,
The clouds methought would open and show riches
Ready to drop upon me, that when I waked
I cried to dream again.
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Post by harry on Feb 18, 2016 17:09:59 GMT -5
I like that good Sir. Thank you.
I'm still - and maybe will be for some time, occupied with some of the information/content on here. I'm also interested in the political aspect of the demise of British mining. The Seumas Milne publication "The Enemy within: Thatcher's Secret War Against the Miners" is an excellent read.
All the best.
Harry
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Post by Clive on Feb 20, 2016 16:41:55 GMT -5
I like that good Sir. Thank you. I'm still - and maybe will be for some time, occupied with some of the information/content on here. I'm also interested in the political aspect of the demise of British mining. The Seumas Milne publication "The Enemy within: Thatcher's Secret War Against the Miners" is an excellent read. All the best. Harry Harry You need to look deeper than thatcher, she was just a figurehead in this country for what happened. You have to look into Geopolitics and the global free trade. Particularly the roll of the central banks, big business and the IMF. Our Governments just front up our country. Politicians go through the revolving door from Westminster into big business and big business infiltrates politics to manipulate policy in its favour. The financial city of London dictates much policy, it is a separate country to Britian (seriously it is like the vatican city). It has its own representative in parliament, the 'remembrancer' who makes sure no laws or statutes are passed to hinder the financial city. At The time Thatcher was thick with Ragan and Gorbachove, look at the big changes that happened in the world at that time, there was global; policy.The IMF were called into this country in 1976, successive govts have had to dance to their tune since. The IMF are in control all over the world and world trade has no boundaries. Shut mines in expensive Europe and uk and get cheep coal from abroad, money is made by big business this way, its a global Market Harry. The coal industry ended up just like the cotton industry, shoe industry and any other industry, it was shipped abroad for even poorer people to work in and make more profits for those who move the goods around. Its a massive subject Harry, let us know what you find out. After all Thatcher was just one person, she couldn't do that all alone without some big people behind her |
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Post by harry on Feb 21, 2016 13:11:57 GMT -5
Will do Clive  Harry |
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Post by smshogun on Feb 22, 2016 14:25:13 GMT -5
Well said Clive, unfortunately people don't look at the bigger picture and do their research, they don't understand economies, they don't understand business, and they only look at one small element of a bigger picture and usually see what suits their agenda. In reality most of the information is out there and as you point to the Remembrancer; how many people know he exists sitting hidden behind the speakers chair, yet its readily accessible information.
How many people know the UK is bankrupt and have been since 1939 and are bankrupt for 70 years, and in 2008 we had an economic crash and in 2009 we signed out of bankruptcy and went to the next table and signed back In again.
How many people understand one of the major agenda's of the EU is to stop any single country being self reliant so we have to be reliant upon the EU for essential things, stop UK coal mining using environmental legislation, kill coal fired power stations, then we have to be reliant upon the EU supergrid for gas and electricity and the final nail in the coffin is to destroy the coal seams and what pops up? oh yes fracking.
How many people realise the EU is merely one aspect of an even bigger picture, the aim of the elite is to have one world Government and they intend doing this by creating three world zones, Europe, The Americas, and Asia. Already started on Europe haven't they. Flood the EU with immigrants and the factories the elite own can have minimum wage and zero hours contracts for the jobs they cannot automate and plenty of cheap labour coming from third world countries.
Put British workers out of work and they still win!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant pay your mortgage then we repossess your property and sell it for a profit, cant pay your loan then we come and repossess your possessions, win win. Go on the dole and we send you on workfare schemes and give our friends in business free labour for a month by sending the doleites on work schemes for a month and we pay them for you from the same money the doleites paid us when they were working.
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2016 15:17:57 GMT -5
Well said Clive, unfortunately people don't look at the bigger picture and do their research, they don't understand economies, they don't understand business, and they only look at one small element of a bigger picture and usually see what suits their agenda. In reality most of the information is out there and as you point to the Remembrancer; how many people know he exists sitting hidden behind the speakers chair, yet its readily accessible information.
How many people know the UK is bankrupt and have been since 1939 and are bankrupt for 70 years, and in 2008 we had an economic crash and in 2009 we signed out of bankruptcy and went to the next table and signed back In again.
How many people understand one of the major agenda's of the EU is to stop any single country being self reliant so we have to be reliant upon the EU for essential things, stop UK coal mining using environmental legislation, kill coal fired power stations, then we have to be reliant upon the EU supergrid for gas and electricity and the final nail in the coffin is to destroy the coal seams and what pops up? oh yes fracking.
How many people realise the EU is merely one aspect of an even bigger picture, the aim of the elite is to have one world Government and they intend doing this by creating three world zones, Europe, The Americas, and Asia. Already started on Europe haven't they. Flood the EU with immigrants and the factories the elite own can have minimum wage and zero hours contracts for the jobs they cannot automate and plenty of cheap labour coming from third world countries.
Put British workers out of work and they still win!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant pay your mortgage then we repossess your property and sell it for a profit, cant pay your loan then we come and repossess your possessions, win win. Go on the dole and we send you on workfare schemes and give our friends in business free labour for a month by sending the doleites on work schemes for a month and we pay them for you from the same money the doleites paid us when they were working.
Glad people like you can see the bigger picture Clive, and you do your research.
How many more countries will be joining the EU?? Turkey will be the next, can't be many more left.
What you have stated, most of which can be found on the UN agenda 101 on their site. |
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Post by Clive on Feb 22, 2016 15:25:56 GMT -5
Got interested the other year when one of my son's text books pointed out there were less than 50 years oil reserves. I started looking at how the big oil companiers had acted, destabilizing govts so they could get more favourable people in power. How debt was used to crate currency and who our national debt is payed back to and how money is created from nothing at all.
There is also a lot of dubious stuff out there but you have to be careful. Read a few good books that blow the lid off finance.. Always thought the UN was a bit of a nonsense but not any more and the question arises, who finances them? Well its the same people who are behind the central banks, IMF and the City of London.
actually i am becoming a bit of a bore about it. I tried explaining it to one lad in the pub last week and he couldn't be bothered, which made me worse.
Fascinating to learn that the 1917 Bolshevik revolution was financed by western business. Standard oil and other Anglo American companies investing heavily in Nazi Germany in the 30's...including Jewish bankers
If you look, at the last 4 prime ministers of this country and what they did on leaving office is also very telling. Thatcher became a Geopolitical advisor for Philip Norrise, the american tobacco giant (very moral i'm sure, pushing policies for the third world to get hooked on the cancer sticks) Major ended up on the bord of one of the largest investment company in the world...Pimco I think they are called. Brown was earmarked for the top job at the IMF (but lost out to the current president) an organisation that has caused more third world deaths than another world war, and need we mention Blair and his millions, off shore Caymen Island companies and being adviser to some of the worlds biggest despots, wh'os worth is now estimated at over 100 million. These people sure went into politics for the betterment of the people...or perhaps not. The adviser to Thatcher in the great gas sell off worth 5 billion in the 80's was recently rewarded with a top job at Barclays. It does go to show the revolving door between Westminster and Global enterprise. These folk are rewarded for serving those pulling the strings. Whilst the masses are kept in the dark, just like ancient Rome where the Games were provided for free as well as other welfare to keep the poor happy.
Now football is given a crazy important position, it dosnt matter what disasters are unfolding on the world scean, we are told who man U has signed ect or quickly transferred to some cricket pitch where another overpaid sportsman has managed to scatter some pieces of wood or hit a piece of cork 70 yards.
X factor, kim Kardashion and the rest of the crackpot celeb culture actors who are given great importance for pretending to be somebody else. East enders, facebook, cheep booze at the super market (not in the pub where you can discuss things) Heroine and coke on tap from dealers who never get caught. All the while the smoke and mirrors are hiding what is really going on....well those are some of my recent discoveries any way....Must see how Widnes got on at the week end... byeeee hun.
Seriously though. I think everybody should start to dig a bit deeper and think outside the box. I know there are some crack pot theories out their and some weird people, but that dosn't mean that the status quo we are asked to accept, and forced to play an active part in, is actual what we are lead to belive...Beware of naked emprors
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Post by Clive on Feb 22, 2016 15:41:36 GMT -5
John. I think the UN are the big player, backed up by the IMF of course. Central banks, IMF, world bank, world trade organisation, UN, all the same basic people...or financed by the same basic people. I am wondering how the EU fits in and what the crack with in or out. Boris and Gove coming out today in favour of out makes me think the banks want the money (central banks) rather than it going to the EU. A look back to 2010 and the telegraph reported that Cameron and Osbourn had brought the IMF in to audit the bank account. That's hog wash for ' the IMF have looked at the figures and told us to make more cuts because we want our interst payments on the money you borrowed ( Money created from nothing, money the governments could produce themselves with no interest payments)...They are in charge.
If you look at the MO when the IMF gets into a country....Privatization of public assets, selling off utilities. Cutting spending on welfare, health service. Look how the nhs has been privatised from within. It came out on PMQs the other week that a hospital in this country was paying back over 1 million a week as interest alone to the PFI that owned it....That's just one hospital. No matter what govt you get, the results are the same. They are just figure heads John.
If the globe is to be carved up as a businesses park, then we can see the sweat shops of Asia and India...The very places out textiles and coal industries went to. This is to be the financial/ service centre and I dare say the rest is just to be plundered for its natural resources. Syria again...Oil. Without oil the empire grinds to a hault
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2016 18:16:45 GMT -5
John. I think the UN are the big player, backed up by the IMF of course. Central banks, IMF, world bank, world trade organisation, UN, all the same basic people...or financed by the same basic people. I am wondering how the EU fits in and what the crack with in or out. Boris and Gove coming out today in favour of out makes me think the banks want the money (central banks) rather than it going to the EU. A look back to 2010 and the telegraph reported that Cameron and Osbourn had brought the IMF in to audit the bank account. That's hog wash for ' the IMF have looked at the figures and told us to make more cuts because we want our interst payments on the money you borrowed ( Money created from nothing, money the governments could produce themselves with no interest payments)...They are in charge. If you look at the MO when the IMF gets into a country....Privatization of public assets, selling off utilities. Cutting spending on welfare, health service. Look how the nhs has been privatised from within. It came out on PMQs the other week that a hospital in this country was paying back over 1 million a week as interest alone to the PFI that owned it....That's just one hospital. No matter what govt you get, the results are the same. They are just figure heads John. If the globe is to be carved up as a businesses park, then we can see the sweat shops of Asia and India...The very places out textiles and coal industries went to. This is to be the financial/ service centre and I dare say the rest is just to be plundered for its natural resources. Syria again...Oil. Without oil the empire grinds to a hault
Do some more research who owns the central banks, Bank of England, Federal Reserve Bank in the USA etc etc, same mob!! Follow up on where the blame lies for Lincoln's assassination and why JFK was shot. JFK was rumoured to have a speech written to broadcast to the American people regarding the Federal Reserve, and how it's owners manipulate the US economy. Sadly even today, a good part of the population believe the Federal Reserve Bank is part of the US governments Treasury department.
I still find it funny, I can board a plane in the US with a suitcase full of gold, all legal to go abroad!!!! But if I board a plane with a suitcase full of greenbacks, I'd get arrested. It's illegal to transport US banknotes outside the US without treasury permission, but not gold or silver bullion. But then US paper money isn't really "money" it's "Bills of attainder" In other words IOU's, backed by nothing but an empty promise.
Here's another one for you, inflation is impossible with "real money" aka silver or gold coins. That's not counting seasonal fluctuation of market goods!! Over a year they all balance out.
One ounce of gold was fixed two hundred plus years ago, as one ounce of silver. It's not real money that loses value, it's paper money.
For anyone doubting my word, read up on "Fractional Reserve Banking", there are many good books on the subject, you can even go to Youtube, there are many videos explaining what Fractional Reserve Banking is about, BUT, a warning, if you suffer from high blood pressure, steer clear of the subject, you will "blow a gasket"!!
I started reading up on currency, banking taxation, the Illuminati, NWO etc some 20 years ago and I'm still finding new information all the time.
I wonder how many know the reason Jewish goldsmiths were banned from becoming citizens of European countries for centuries, or why they could not set up business in the UK under Henry the 8th and some other Kings without written permission of the King himself?? No, I'm not anti Jew, had many Jewish friends over the years. A clue is why Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple.
All this gets pretty deep, time to return back to mining subjects, if anyone wants to carry on with info on these subjects, I did start a site off to store this sort of information, if anyone is interested pm me and I'll give you the URL, over the years I've added many articles, links etc covering everything from Taxation to conspiracy theories and much more. |
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Post by dazbt on Feb 23, 2016 6:22:02 GMT -5
"time to return back to mining subjects, if anyone wants to carry on with info on these subjects, I did start a site off to store this sort of information, if anyone is interested pm me and I'll give you the URL"
Sounds to me like a pretty good suggestion, although I doubt it will work in returning this forum back onto topic in the style it started!
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Post by Clive on Feb 23, 2016 18:52:38 GMT -5
John been on with all that and so much more.
Daz your a great bloke, But Harry wants to know the real reson why the pits shut. We are lead to belive it was all between arthure n thatch, a lot are so deeply ingrained with the labour movement they dismiss how many pits willson and callaghan closed and how blair carried it it all on.
What I am trying to say to harry, and everybody else is look for the real reasons for pitys sake. It is important because peoples lives are blinded. Do you remember the tale you told of the pit in india, the cow on the upcast shaft and the bloke half way up gettiing wet through because the cow was sacred?
It was a great tale daz like so many others. have you ever stoped to think about our sacred cows??? or was that indian bloke so thick and we brits can't have the wool pulled over our ears.
It is 100% on topic. The miners union was made great in the 1800s because some lads stopped the emperor and told him that actually he was starkers
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Post by Clive on Feb 24, 2016 13:11:37 GMT -5
OK Daz back on thread
Hill Top, Bacup, ThoughDeerply was an old colliery they modernised it, unlike the other Rossendale collieries that remained pick and shovel till they finished (Inc Grimebridge)
Broadclough (though really it was an extention of Grimebridgwe no 1.
grimebridge no 3
Burnley area. Fir trees, fence no 1 & 2. Salterford nos 1&2.Thorny Bank
Cumbria. Re opening of the King Pit, Midgeholm. Whites Cut, Midgeholm
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Post by harry on Feb 24, 2016 15:09:17 GMT -5
John been on with all that and so much more. Daz your a great bloke, But Harry wants to know the real reson why the pits shut. We are lead to belive it was all between arthure n thatch, a lot are so deeply ingrained with the labour movement they dismiss how many pits willson and callaghan closed and how blair carried it it all on. What I am trying to say to harry, and everybody else is look for the real reasons for pitys sake. It is important because peoples lives are blinded. Do you remember the tale you told of the pit in india, the cow on the upcast shaft and the bloke half way up gettiing wet through because the cow was sacred? It was a great tale daz like so many others. have you ever stoped to think about our sacred cows??? or was that indian bloke so thick and we brits can't have the wool pulled over our ears. It is 100% on topic. The miners union was made great in the 1800s because some lads stopped the emperor and told him that actually he was starkers Evening Ciive I am not so binded to believe that the pits demise was purely down to Thatcher - as you say there was previous history. It is apparent that Thatcher was hell bent on visiting revenge on the miners for the losses which they caused a previous Tory government. What is also interesting is the complex and dark web of the "establishment" which was involved - and not just the British establishment. The Miilne book is an excellent read. www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://t3.gstatic.com/images%3Fq%3Dtbn:ANd9GcQBEKKvVFb4FAgpdvq8cKtAKiGM_iEopIu8uSYOh85mJsge2Wbt&imgrefurl=http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Enemy_Within.html%3Fid%3D55iV2JlUz9YC%26source%3Dkp_cover&h=1080&w=699&tbnid=i8-0fE1ZoPXTHM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=103&docid=pPqsfZAvXXfE3M&itg=1&usg=__JHcyNHBkGG4qYPRjB9gMYwbOjMY=Harry |
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Post by smshogun on Mar 8, 2016 14:31:06 GMT -5
Harry, no she wasn't; just another myth perpetuated as part of smoke and mirrors tactics.
What she did see is what many of us saw and this was the take over of the European region by the EU and its implications, one being no EU country could be self sufficient in anything and coal was a target because it allowed us to make coal powered diesel engines (powdered coal) to keep our ships, trains, and heavy plant running; petrol and diesel to keep our roads and vehicles running, electricity for homes and industry, and a return to town gas which we had for years.
ALL FROM COAL
Take all this energy away and you control a country, the EU supergrids for gas and electricity, our Russian gas supplies which come across Europe, they could all be switched off so it makes a good weapon to blackmail a country with to comply with their demands.
With coal we stick two fingers up to them and say we produce our petrol, diesel, electricity, and gas; and the waste dust can be used to power heavy oil engines so they would have full power which is what they had to stop.
We can tell the Froggies to stick their overpriced wine, cheeses, Renaults, Peugeots and Citroens and it would hit their economy much more than ours, we could tell the Germans to stick their VW's, Mercedes, Audis and BMW's and it would hit their economy more than ours, and we wouldn't be bound by the EU tariffs they charge us for trading with non EU members making our exports cheaper; they didn't want us doing this as it would hit their debt based systems and we would restructure the UK to be self sufficient as we were for centuries, and the other EU countries except those ruling the EU (Germany, France, and Spain) would do the same.
China, India, and South Africa already supply a lot of our produce and we replace overpriced EU produce with theirs at a lower price to us, pretty much of our other produce is already sourced from other non EU countries. |
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Post by beltpatrol133 on Mar 3, 2021 15:17:40 GMT -5
No2 and 3 shaft at Darfield deepend to Silkstone seam early 80s by cemco. Calder drift (Bulcliffewood). Woolley surface drift Westside washer?.
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