|
|
Post by John on Jan 14, 2014 8:59:35 GMT -5
Jim, an ex pit electrician in Canada sent me some DVD's a few months back, "Nobody's Face", an NCB Archives copy of a training film, deals with face production losses and features Lord Robens giving the lecture...Mostly old NCB propaganda, but still worth seeing if you can find a copy...Sounds like it was filmed in a Yorkshire pit.
"Forty Years On", again NCB Film.
"Nines Was Standing", another NCB film.Looks like this was made in the 1950's, as it's an hand got face and coal loads into tubs from the belt delivery point..Mostly NCB propaganda once more, eliminating down time and increasing face production....Plus a privately made DVD of Pye Hill Colliery
Just did a check of Youtube..
Nine Was Standing.
Can't find the others on there.
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 14, 2014 11:12:14 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by colly0410 on Jan 14, 2014 12:39:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the links John, put them in bookmarks & I'll have a browse of them later. I'm off line dancing at Underwood Miners Welfare in a bit, I'll be aching when I come home, lol..
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 15, 2014 17:41:18 GMT -5
I think the accents are South Yorkshire, Barnsley area?? (Nobody's Face video)
Daz, where art thou?
|
|
|
|
Post by colly0410 on Jan 16, 2014 8:06:38 GMT -5
I think the accents are South Yorkshire, Barnsley area?? (Nobody's Face video)
Daz, where art thou? Some thought it was a Notts accent on the Welsh site, I think it's a mid/north Derbyshire accent. When I lived in langley Mill some spoke just like that, some Derbyshire yokels say 'thee & thou.' |
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 16, 2014 8:13:35 GMT -5
No not a Notts accent, when I worked at Boulby, we had a load of South Yorks lads there at the beginning, our elec shop steward used to say thou and thee, he came from "Donny" if I recall right, mate of mine a fitter came from North Derbyshire, a tad like they were speaking in the video, but I'd go for Barnsley myself..
C'mon Daz, where are you when we need you...LOL
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 16, 2014 8:14:14 GMT -5
No not a Notts accent, when I worked at Boulby, we had a load of South Yorks lads there at the beginning, our elec shop steward used to say thou and thee, he came from "Donny" if I recall right, mate of mine a fitter came from North Derbyshire, a tad like they were speaking in the video, but I'd go for Barnsley myself..( or as I used to speak, "mesen"...LOL)
C'mon Daz, where are you when we need you...LOL |
|
|
|
Post by dazbt on Jan 16, 2014 9:31:37 GMT -5
Not easy to define, mainly because they are all trying hard to speak properly, what I did pick up on was that there was a slight variation between one or two of the team. The Barnsley dialect varies quite a bit even within its own Borough boundaries, there definitely was not a pure Barnsley town accent amongst them, but my guess would be that it was slightly south of Barnsley, brace yourselves ............ probably Wales. What I would say is that the word 'thou' is not used in or around Barnsley and as far back as I can remember the only time I've heard thou used(apart from Biblical quotes)was by expat Lancastrians, my great grandfather from Wigan used thou, Barnsley dialect as I've said before on here includes thee, tha, thar thar'l and thine but not thou. I can't wait to read the comments that my estimated location is Wales, .........nar, wot's thar got ter se bart that Jim ?   |
|
|
|
Post by tygwyn on Jan 16, 2014 17:32:10 GMT -5
Well it was definitely not Notts,the coal was to clean and nobody said Me Duck,
Could`nt pick out a Yorkshire accent,and with all them problems on the face,they`d have had a strike before end of shift,
I reckoned more Lancs,i had a neighbour that sounded like them boy`s,from Westhoughton.
And it definitely was`nt Wales,we`d have gobbed that Southern commentator,lol.
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 17, 2014 8:19:19 GMT -5
Not easy to define, mainly because they are all trying hard to speak properly, what I did pick up on was that there was a slight variation between one or two of the team. The Barnsley dialect varies quite a bit even within its own Borough boundaries, there definitely was not a pure Barnsley town accent amongst them, but my guess would be that it was slightly south of Barnsley, brace yourselves ............ probably Wales. What I would say is that the word 'thou' is not used in or around Barnsley and as far back as I can remember the only time I've heard thou used(apart from Biblical quotes)was by expat Lancastrians, my great grandfather from Wigan used thou, Barnsley dialect as I've said before on here includes thee, tha, thar thar'l and thine but not thou. I can't wait to read the comments that my estimated location is Wales, .........nar, wot's thar got ter se bart that Jim ?
I "allus " spoke properly, always pronounced my "effs and C's" correctly...LOL I'll settle for South Yorkshire, way too broad for anything south of Sheffield...
I have somewhere filed away, some Ilkeston prounced words, similar to Nottingham, but different, dialects used to differ over just a few miles when I was a kid. Eastwood and Hucknall being two examples, just a few miles between them, and yet different dialects. |
|
|
|
Post by dazbt on Jan 17, 2014 8:52:56 GMT -5
Definitely not Lancashire, certainly no where near Nottingham, not the North-East even though there was a "Bonny Lad" slipped into the conversation at one point, positively no mention of the word "Thou" which rules out Quakers and Pilgrim Fathers, my bet is still Wales, ................. not the Land of My Fathers' Wales but the proper Wales in God's Own County.
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 17, 2014 9:11:31 GMT -5
I just slipped the DVD in my player and I don't hear any Welsh accents Daz, not to say they didn't use a Yorkshire coalface team in a Welsh pit though...
No my money is on South Yorks, a pit that was around your area Daz.. Accent is too broad for Mansfield, could also be in the very north of Derbyshire close to the Yorks border...Maybe even Hatfield Colliery.... Might have to do some research and see where the film was made.
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 17, 2014 10:47:38 GMT -5
"Let Crawley go"......Not a term I heard from any of my mates in our area, would have been "Let the facechain go" or "start the panzer" "Panzer" seemed to be the common name for the AFC at most Midland pits, Crawley was a common stage loader make.
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 17, 2014 10:49:19 GMT -5
I couldn't locate anything about this film, other than the titles etc, all we really know is it was made by the NCB and was made around the mid 60's.
|
|
|
|
Post by tygwyn on Jan 17, 2014 14:11:41 GMT -5
Prince of Wales Pit.
|
|
|
|
Post by dazbt on Jan 17, 2014 14:44:32 GMT -5
POW Colliery Pontefract was in West Yorkshire, north-east of Barnsley and a totally different accent, I mean the real Wales, a place of habitation a short distance south of Barnsley. |
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 17, 2014 17:30:43 GMT -5
If anyones interested in owning these NCB films AND more, they are on a DVD called "The NCB Collection, Portrait of a Miner" You can find the DVD on Amazon UK and Amazon USA.
Here's a list of the films on the discs.
Cost's are UK 14-49 free shipping, US $39-99 free shipping.
Disc One
Mining Review 1st Year No.1 - Cutter Loader | Five Day Week | The Miner's Song (1947, B/W, 8 mins)
King Coal (1948, colour, 3 mins)
Nines Was Standing (1950,, B/W, 18 mins)
Miners Health Centre (1948, B/W, 2 mins)
Mining Review 2nd Year No 10 - Replanning A Coalfield (1949, B/W, 10 mins)
Mining Review 2nd Year No 12 - Holiday Camp | Beside The Sea | Up River | Pitmen's Derby (1949, B/W, 10 mins)
Plan For Coal (1952, B/W, 19 mins)
The Shovel (1953, B/W, 17 mins)
'Time Out' from Mining Review 7th Year No.8 (1954, B/W, 3 mins)
'Balletomines' from Mining Review 7th Year No.12 (1954, B/W, 3 mins)
'Hungarians in Britain' from Mining Review 10th Year No.8 (1957, B/W, 4 mins)
New Power In Their Hands (1959, B/W, 21 mins)
Mining Review 13th Year No 4 - The Art Of Mining | Speaking Through Coal | Mounted Minors | Record Pit (1959, B/W, 10 mins)
'Stormy Genius' from Mining Review 13th Year No.8 (1960, B/W, 2 mins)
Arthur Clears the Air (1961, colour, 30 mins)
'Whitehaven Whippets' from mining Review 15th Year No.7 (1962, B/W, 3 mins)
Mining Review 16th Year No 6 - A Story From South Wales (1963, B/W, 10 mins)
Disc Two
Songs of The Coalfields (1964, B/W, 14 mins)
Big Job (1965, colour, 2 mins)
Portrait of a Miner (1966, B/W, 28 mins)
Nobody's Face (1966, B/W, 19 mins)
The First Adventures of 'Thud And Blunder' (1964, colour, 3 mins)
Mining Review 20th Year No 9 Marilyn | Out Of Darkness | North Star (1967, B/W, 10 mins)
Hands, Knees and Bumps A Daisy (1969, colour, 4 mins)
Mining Review 22nd Year No 5 She (1969, B/W, 10 mins)
What About That Job? (Case Studies For Management No 1) (1970, B/W, 5 mins)
The Bother Breeder (Case Studies For Management No 4) (1970, B/W, 5 mins)
Man Failure (1971, colour, 17 mins)
I'll See You (Too Late Now No 2) (1976, colour, 2 mins)
A Beautiful Memory (Too Late Now No 3) (1976, colour, 2 mins)
You Pick the Moment (Too Late Now No 4) (1976, colour, 2 mins)
Miners (1976, colour, 24 mins)
Review 32nd Year No 1 - Band Fever (1978, colour, 10 mins)
40 Years On (1978, colour and B/W, 19 mins)
|
|
|
|
Post by dazbt on Jan 19, 2014 8:48:25 GMT -5
Not easy to define, mainly because they are all trying hard to speak properly, what I did pick up on was that there was a slight variation between one or two of the team. The Barnsley dialect varies quite a bit even within its own Borough boundaries, there definitely was not a pure Barnsley town accent amongst them, but my guess would be that it was slightly south of Barnsley, brace yourselves ............ probably Wales. What I would say is that the word 'thou' is not used in or around Barnsley and as far back as I can remember the only time I've heard thou used(apart from Biblical quotes)was by expat Lancastrians, my great grandfather from Wigan used thou, Barnsley dialect as I've said before on here includes thee, tha, thar thar'l and thine but not thou. I can't wait to read the comments that my estimated location is Wales, .........nar, wot's thar got ter se bart that Jim ? Here's a link to a Youtube 'bit of non-sense' that best identifies the Barnsley Town dialect, I believe that the Nobody's Face accent is a little less harsh and is probably slightly south of this, not far though, maybe just a few miles. PS don't be frightened by the guy's appearance, just listen to the dialect; |
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 28, 2014 16:52:37 GMT -5
If anyones interested in owning these NCB films AND more, they are on a DVD called "The NCB Collection, Portrait of a Miner" You can find the DVD on Amazon UK and Amazon USA.
Here's a list of the films on the discs.
Cost's are UK 14-49 free shipping, US $39-99 free shipping.Disc One Mining Review 1st Year No.1 - Cutter Loader | Five Day Week | The Miner's Song (1947, B/W, 8 mins) King Coal (1948, colour, 3 mins) Nines Was Standing (1950,, B/W, 18 mins) Miners Health Centre (1948, B/W, 2 mins) Mining Review 2nd Year No 10 - Replanning A Coalfield (1949, B/W, 10 mins) Mining Review 2nd Year No 12 - Holiday Camp | Beside The Sea | Up River | Pitmen's Derby (1949, B/W, 10 mins) Plan For Coal (1952, B/W, 19 mins) The Shovel (1953, B/W, 17 mins) 'Time Out' from Mining Review 7th Year No.8 (1954, B/W, 3 mins) 'Balletomines' from Mining Review 7th Year No.12 (1954, B/W, 3 mins) 'Hungarians in Britain' from Mining Review 10th Year No.8 (1957, B/W, 4 mins) New Power In Their Hands (1959, B/W, 21 mins) Mining Review 13th Year No 4 - The Art Of Mining | Speaking Through Coal | Mounted Minors | Record Pit (1959, B/W, 10 mins) 'Stormy Genius' from Mining Review 13th Year No.8 (1960, B/W, 2 mins) Arthur Clears the Air (1961, colour, 30 mins) 'Whitehaven Whippets' from mining Review 15th Year No.7 (1962, B/W, 3 mins) Mining Review 16th Year No 6 - A Story From South Wales (1963, B/W, 10 mins) Disc Two Songs of The Coalfields (1964, B/W, 14 mins) Big Job (1965, colour, 2 mins) Portrait of a Miner (1966, B/W, 28 mins) Nobody's Face (1966, B/W, 19 mins) The First Adventures of 'Thud And Blunder' (1964, colour, 3 mins) Mining Review 20th Year No 9 Marilyn | Out Of Darkness | North Star (1967, B/W, 10 mins) Hands, Knees and Bumps A Daisy (1969, colour, 4 mins) Mining Review 22nd Year No 5 She (1969, B/W, 10 mins) What About That Job? (Case Studies For Management No 1) (1970, B/W, 5 mins) The Bother Breeder (Case Studies For Management No 4) (1970, B/W, 5 mins) Man Failure (1971, colour, 17 mins) I'll See You (Too Late Now No 2) (1976, colour, 2 mins) A Beautiful Memory (Too Late Now No 3) (1976, colour, 2 mins) You Pick the Moment (Too Late Now No 4) (1976, colour, 2 mins) Miners (1976, colour, 24 mins) Review 32nd Year No 1 - Band Fever (1978, colour, 10 mins) 40 Years On (1978, colour and B/W, 19 mins)
Bit late, due to winter weather holding it up, but should be in my sweaty greasy hands tonight... |
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 29, 2014 8:18:50 GMT -5
I'll be watching the DVD's later today..
|
|
|
|
Post by John on Jan 29, 2014 12:11:28 GMT -5
Some real good video of the Meco-Moore in the No1 Mining Revue, both being assembled at AB's factory, test run and on the coal face...Really remarkable not one single machine survived the scrap merchant.
|
|
