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Post by smshogun on Oct 30, 2015 22:02:38 GMT -5
Not pulling your leg as I watch very little TV so I assume its full of wannabe's ready and willing to be exploited for a couple of years and when they have made massive returns and profits for their sponsors they are dropped like a stone with very little.
Only found out recently that Albert Tatlock isn't in Constipation Street anymore, that's how much TV I watch.
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Post by colly0410 on Oct 31, 2015 5:21:29 GMT -5
They were going on at work about X-factor & how good it was, so I watched it, once, it was the biggest load of old tosh ever. They still think it's the dogs do-da's, why? I've got no idea..
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Post by harry on Nov 1, 2015 13:03:41 GMT -5
Paying UK income tax is voluntary? That can't be right. I have tried to have a look round and can't see anything to support thatnotion. smshogun made reference to a FOI request but the one I have found here says exactly the opposite to what smshogun claimed - unless he has another example. Here's the link - www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_income_tax_voluntaryI think the other claims about not having to pay utility bills etc are also untrue- is this a site for making such claims. Anyway, I joined as I wanted to know whether or not there has ever been any mining in Lincolnshire. Has anyone any references to that. I think some Nottingham mines may well have strayed into Lincolnshire but I'm not certain. I'm not just interested in coal mining. Thanks. Harry.
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Post by John on Nov 1, 2015 13:24:52 GMT -5
Paying UK income tax is voluntary? That can't be right. I have tried to have a look round and can't see anything to support thatnotion. smshogun made reference to a FOI request but the one I have found here says exactly the opposite to what smshogun claimed - unless he has another example. Here's the link - www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_income_tax_voluntaryI think the other claims about not having to pay utility bills etc are also untrue- is this a site for making such claims. Anyway, I joined as I wanted to know whether or not there has ever been any mining in Lincolnshire. Has anyone any references to that. I think some Nottingham mines may well have strayed into Lincolnshire but I'm not certain. I'm not just interested in coal mining. Thanks. Harry. No, no coal has been mined in Lincs, seams are too deep, the NCB carried out drilling in Newark and a little further east, plus some oil exporations been carried out which showed the seams were well below what could be mined with technology at that time. Coal seams on average, dip 5 degrees west to east.
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Post by dazbt on Nov 1, 2015 14:20:45 GMT -5
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“I think the other claims about not having to pay utility bills etc are also untrue- is this a site for making such claims.(?)”
It would seem that short of murder and other bits and bobs there is very little chance of anything that we “uneducated citizens” accept as law and attempt to comply with in blind stupidity that is legally binding, read back a bit and learn just where you’ve being going wrong all these years, I hope you will then realise just how much money and effort you’ve wasted on such non-existent, artificially and illegally enforced licences and motoring laws etc. This site is a real eye opener, might save you a lot of self-esteem and money in future, and beats “Money Supermarket” type websites into fits, dependant on your intellect, morals, humanity and self esteem of course.
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“Anyway, I joined as I wanted to know whether or not there has ever been any mining in Lincolnshire. Has anyone any references to that. I think some Nottingham mines may well have strayed into Lincolnshire but I'm not certain. I'm not just interested in coal mining.”
No coal mining accessed from Lincolnshire surface workings that I know of, but there had been fairly extensive underground working of ironstone until at least the early 1970s, quite a bit of it using low seam road heading machinery and equipment developed primarily for coalmining. There are some comments (posts) made relatively early on in the life of this website that relate to the location of these mines (close to Sthingyhorpe if I remember correctly) that were exposed during surface quarrying operations.
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Post by dazbt on Nov 1, 2015 14:38:35 GMT -5
that "Sthingyhorpe" is the auto-moderated version title of a well known Lincolnshire caravan dwelling area south of the Humber and slightly north west of Grimsby noted for it Anchor Works and Tetley Tea links.
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Post by harry on Nov 1, 2015 14:42:29 GMT -5
Thanks John and Daz - John, I couldn't see a reply button your post.
If you drive towards Cleethorpes and Grimsby - north east from my location, there are small villages were it looks like some mining has taken place- Caistor and Swallow being examples. I know almost nothing about mining having been brought up in Lincolnshire and seeing some of the old Notts mines for the first time was a real eye opener. I think the areas I mentioned in Lincolnshire may have been sort of mineral open cast type working. Of course I could be wrong.
I'll keep exploring the site.
Thanks Harry.
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Post by dazbt on Nov 1, 2015 14:56:56 GMT -5
that "Sthingyhorpe" is the auto-moderated version title of a well known Lincolnshire caravan dwelling area south of the Humber and slightly north west of Grimsby noted for it Anchor Works and Tetley Tea links. If Typhoo put the "T" in "Britain" then Proboard certainly took the "girl thingy" out of Sthingyhorpe
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Post by dazbt on Nov 1, 2015 14:59:09 GMT -5
just love this autothingy, brilliant alternatives !!
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Post by dazbt on Nov 1, 2015 15:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by harry on Nov 1, 2015 15:29:34 GMT -5
Wow. There's loads of stuff to look through there.
Thanks Daz
Harry
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Post by John on Nov 1, 2015 16:04:14 GMT -5
just love this autothingy, brilliant alternatives !! It's a laugh a minute, can't for the life of me work out why a full town name would be censored just because the middle bit has naughty sex spellings in it Sc.unthorpe
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Post by John on Nov 1, 2015 16:08:47 GMT -5
Thanks John and Daz - John, I couldn't see a reply button your post. If you drive towards Cleethorpes and Grimsby - north east from my location, there are small villages were it looks like some mining has taken place- Caistor and Swallow being examples. I know almost nothing about mining having been brought up in Lincolnshire and seeing some of the old Notts mines for the first time was a real eye opener. I think the areas I mentioned in Lincolnshire may have been sort of mineral open cast type working. Of course I could be wrong. I'll keep exploring the site. Thanks Harry. I was pondering mentioning iron ore mining up at the naughty city, but you asked about coal, I recollect a feller started to sink a shaft somewhere in west Lincs but gave up when water started filling his shaft, can't recall exactly where now or the year, but it was a long time back. I think it was used as a water well after he abandoned it.
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Post by harry on Nov 1, 2015 17:35:13 GMT -5
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Post by dazbt on Nov 2, 2015 2:54:30 GMT -5
Thanks John and Daz - John, I couldn't see a reply button your post. If you drive towards Cleethorpes and Grimsby - north east from my location, there are small villages were it looks like some mining has taken place- Caistor and Swallow being examples. I know almost nothing about mining having been brought up in Lincolnshire and seeing some of the old Notts mines for the first time was a real eye opener. I think the areas I mentioned in Lincolnshire may have been sort of mineral open cast type working. Of course I could be wrong. I'll keep exploring the site. Thanks Harry. I was pondering mentioning iron ore mining up at the naughty city, but you asked about coal, I recollect a feller started to sink a shaft somewhere in west Lincs but gave up when water started filling his shaft, can't recall exactly where now or the year, but it was a long time back. I think it was used as a water well after he abandoned it.
quote "Anyway, I joined as I wanted to know whether or not there has ever been any mining in Lincolnshire. Has anyone any references to that. I think some Nottingham mines may well have strayed into Lincolnshire but I'm not certain. I'm not just interested in coal mining."
I spotted the clue in the last 7 words in Harry's post.
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2015 5:09:16 GMT -5
Ha!
As an aside I did used to live near the North Sea Gas terminal at Theddlethorpe - that was interesting.
Harry
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Post by smshogun on Nov 4, 2015 14:09:35 GMT -5
Yes its perfectly true, and several of us have actually rang them and they have confirmed it as true; when this hit the public domain HMRC and various other Government departments went on an offensive to try to dissuade people of this fact using very carefully scripted language designed to portray it as untrue while not actually stating it as untrue.
As for everything else, its also true but people have been dumbed down to accept everything the Government says as true even though history confirms most of what the Government say is proven untrue with the passing of time.
I also accept it takes a lot of studying, I also accept it takes a lot of time, I accept people cannot be bothered to look and I accept don't care, so hey if you want to continue paying unproven claims then its your choice; as for me? never paid a parking fine since decriminalisation, not paid BBC paedophiles TV licence for years, don't even pay for gas or electricity as we the people actually own it.
What I would suggest (note only a suggestion) is that you do your own research, if it interests you then continue, if you find it too long winded and cannot be bothered then don't.
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Post by harry on Nov 4, 2015 16:01:24 GMT -5
But you quoted a FOI request which did not say what you suggested it did - that HMRC admitted that paying income tax was voluntary. As I requested in my post could you provide a link to the FOI request that you relied on in your post. That would be great.
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Post by John on Nov 4, 2015 17:02:17 GMT -5
Harry, be very careful and do research before acting on any information, search court cases just in case, keep notes and keep them in a file.
When we first moved to the mid west from "Kalifornia" I was down at the PO picking our mail up and also sending some mail, I don't know how come we got chatting about "freedom" but I spent over two hours with a very knowledgeable man outside the PO. I think he passed on a couple of years back. BUT, he had revoked his drivers license, taken "full title" on his van, revoked the registration and returned the number plates. Yes, he'd been stopped many times and booked, never was fined and the Judge was quick to throw him out of court each time he walked in with all charges dropped!! It got so bad the Judge sent a letter to the local Hwy Patrol station and the two local towns covered by the traffic court warning any officer who wrote the feller up would be held in contempt of court. He told me he blows his horn when he passes police cars on the opposite side of the road and the cops just turn their backs.
Now over here, there are NO state laws stating a driver of a private vehicle has to be licensed. In my state Missouri, it's an operator of a motor vehicle, and guess what!! Definition of operator is someone who drives for hire and profit....TAXI driver! To drive a big rig for a living hauling other peoples cargo, you need an HDL license...GUT guess what! If the tractor and trailer are owned by the driver, and he is carrying his own personal property, no license is required.
Yes, I do have a license, I'm too old and tired to fight the establishment, I've been through the income tax thing, (US), and never been charged with any of the so called "crimes" others have been charged with, maybe because I know too much, and would bring it up in court, remember, these people in power don't like too many folk hearing this stuff, and in courts are journalists and lay people who listen intently.
A lot of people scoff at us, but they are the ones who have been indoctrinated and won't look up the evidence themselves. Like I've already posted, I'm not up on UK law, been years since I left, and I was one of the indoctrinated people, my blinkers came off around 25 years back when a friend of myself and my wife gave my a binder crammed with photocopies and two VHS tapes. Wasn't long after that I got on the internet, and there were several sites regarding freedom and how the law works, with plenty of links to university law libraries.
Lawyers have their own "English" which is used to confuse, take for instance the word "shall" Now if I say "You shall" you'd take it to mean you have to....WRONG!! In law "shall" does not mean what we think it means...Check it out yourself. Again, over here, not sure about UK law, but ALL key words HAVE to be defined!! ie United States, States, Employer, Employee as a few... Now to cross check those words from income tax to excise tax we see two lots of different definitions!! We also see State and state used... State is Washington DC, Guam, American Somoa etc, state is the 50 states. United States is DC again, whereas united states is the 50 states. Employer is the government, employee is a government worker..
Get the idea now why I say research??
My guess is UK law also has to have key words defined, a good start would be Blacks Law Dictionary, which defines English Common Law.
Take it from me though, it's an eye opener, and takes hours of research and study.
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Post by smshogun on Nov 4, 2015 23:11:23 GMT -5
John, its all common law jurisdiction here in the UK and USA, and you are indeed right about terminology as two different languages are spoken solely to deceive as any "society" can give any word any meaning they like and you are referring to the Law Society here in the UK and their language is "legalese" and all members of law enforcement are taught to use legalese.
As for vehicles; in the UK we all "have the right to travel" and travel "on the queens highway" and the only law is that you cannot obstruct the highway and you use a "private conveyance" which is any conveyance not used in commerce. There is no obligation to register the private conveyance and you need no driving licence, no insurance, MOT or road tax; however you are fully liable for any liabilities you incur, so lets translate it into their language.
Under their language of "acts and statutes" a private conveyance is termed a "motor vehicle" and it is "driven" on the "Highway" and not the Queens highway, and by registering it you have "to apply which means giving away deed of title" and deed of title is legal ownership and as you don't actually own it any council may contact the DVLA (now the legal owners) and lift THEIR vehicle for being illegally parked and send you as the "registered keeper" the bill for illegally parking THEIR vehicle; and when you have registered the vehicle and have the V5 document you have entered a legally binding contract to abide by their rules which means abiding by the Road Traffic Act, tax, insure, and MOT the vehicle you don't own. If you have the knowledge to do so you can obtain the CASE MANAGEMENT FILE for any case in a magistrates court if you are charged (note the word charged) for an offence such as driving without an MOT it reveals a lot about the incident. Firstly you will be charged with Driving without a valid MOT certificate, or at least that's what they tell you; the DASE MANAGEMENT FILE says something different, it will say "alleged breach of contract for not driving with a valid MOT certificate" which is something different to what you were told, you are actually misled and the magistrates will have a DVLA enquiry check done, first it is to establish if you have a V5 document, this being the contract, then to check a valid MOT wasn't in place and you are found guilty before you even enter the magistrates court. If you look at something called the "District Registry" which records all magistrates court transactions it will be recorded as "breach of contract, V5-MOT offence - Guilty".
Note I made mention of the word "charged" as this is significant as it is the charge, levy, or amount the court is going to charge you for breaching this contract; this is why where there is a cock up they always drop the charges before you get to court or just before the court goes into session; in simple terms an important piece of contract law comes into play and this is "he who lays an allegation or charge against another must be willing to a accept reverse liability against themselves" and basically it means if they lay a charge against you and they get it wrong they accept that same liability against themselves and you can lay a charge for the same value against them, hence they drop it before proceedings.
I have my own private conveyance and have been stopped several times, Police are taught acts and statutes and yet they take an oath and attestation to uphold COMMON LAW which is the overriding legislation and when they faced my wrath and charges in my "right of claim" and Notices of Liability and take advice they disappear quicker than a pig with a strawberry up its arse, but why? I never accept their terminology of motor vehicle and correct them when they use it, I always rebut their allegations, and employ another trick or two and put them in the position (using their legislation) where if they cost me time I charge them for my time at £50 each per half hour and if they dare to impound the private conveyance it will become theft, if they arrest me it becomes kidnap and if they cart me off it becomes kidnap and unlawful abduction, the reason they crap themselves? because I enforce them and have done so on more than one occasion in the High Court - Queens bench Division. Now no ploddey in Notts, Derbys, Leics, S. Yorks, or Lincs will come near me as they have all contributed to my charity pot; I always go for a Jury trial and use trust law, most people are unaware that in a High Court trial its the jury who hold all the power and not a judge, he/she is only there to explain complex points of law and under trust law it becomes "Trust Private Business" and if you have a trust with 15 people in it you can put your own 12 into the jury and to abide by the rules you have to have 2 spare, hence a trust with 15 people in, one charged, 12 for the jury, and 2 spare to comply with trial rules. Now you know you have your jury and they understand Common Law and the judge tries to take charge of the trial you ask the jury to simply dismiss him as they are the most powerful people in the court and they dismiss him, its actually that simple.
There are pitfalls; you need proof of ownership of the private conveyance as evidence YOU are the owner and hold Deed of Title and it is prudent to carry insurance as you may be judged to have caused the accident and can be hit for £millions which most people don't have.
What I found strange was that reporting restrictions have always been put in place when we have such trials, I wonder why? could it be that if people found out about this stuff they would all de-register their cars and turn them into private conveyances?
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Post by John on Nov 5, 2015 6:40:53 GMT -5
The only difference between UK and states over here then, is we have a tribunal called a traffic court, that in itself is unconstitutional as it's a court of equity, and every person is allowed a trial by jury in all cases where the "value" is over $5. Traffic courts are revenue collectors for the district where they are located. But if you know law and are willing to brow beat the Judge with his own law, he'll throw you and your case out as not guilty and inform you to "zip it"...They don't want others to know it's all smoke and mirrors.
There was a case here in Missouri some years back, I wished I'd bookmarked or saved the case complete with docket numbers. It involved a male driver who turned right against a red light without stopping. We are allowed in most states to use a stop light as a give way when turning right, BUT, we have to stop first and make sure it's safe to make the turn. He was booked for failing to stop, not being licensed to drive, for not having a registered vehicle. He argued his case in traffic court, the Judge agreed with him on ALL points even saying out loud I know you're not required to have a drivers license, BUT, you could have caused an accident, so I'm fining you "x" number of dollars. Technically the feller could have appealed, as he had no contract with the state to obey their traffic rules, aka the drivers license, which is technically a contract.
It's hard to get the original "deed of ownership" of a vehicle, as we found out and others have to, over here, it's usually sent to the Dept of Motor Vehicles in the state where the dealer is located, usually when the vehicle has been delivered to the dealers. Which makes fighting the establishment that much harder.
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Post by smshogun on Nov 5, 2015 13:47:10 GMT -5
In principal its the same as our magistrates courts as Traffic Court is another "consensual court" and they operate it by making people believe they have to attend, when you are issued a citation you need to issue your "right of claim" to the issuing officer as he/she is levying the charge and making them accountable, watch the citation disappear when they realise they are held under reverse liability. Once again its a play on words and traffic court masquerades as an impartial decision maker when in reality all you need to do is rebut the officers claim and put it in a real court in common law, they have no choice then.
It used to be fairly straightforward to de-register a vehicle here but as more and more people de-registered them they tried a tactic of muddying the waters; its the timeless classic of giving people the run-around by denying they de-register vehicles and refer you to another Government department who also deny they de-register vehicles and pass you on again, and so it goes.
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Post by John on Aug 21, 2016 8:13:27 GMT -5
Chemtrails, so it wasn't a "conspiracy theory" as governments have claimed for years after all... Proof is out from pilots who have been guilty of spraying crap from their planes including photos of the equipment mounted on their aircraft. I see FOI requests have been answered at last by the authorities who dreampt up the term "conspiracy theory". Now all we need to know is, what are the long term affects of sprays, dead bees??? tumors??? Who knows?
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Post by dazbt on Aug 21, 2016 13:33:05 GMT -5
Chemtrails, so it wasn't a "conspiracy theory" as governments have claimed for years after all... Proof is out from pilots who have been guilty of spraying crap from their planes including photos of the equipment mounted on their aircraft. I see FOI requests have been answered at last by the authorities who dreampt up the term "conspiracy theory". Now all we need to know is, what are the long term affects of sprays, dead bees??? tumors??? Who knows? “Paranoia and subservience in our enemies, hubris and infallibility in our Golem” ................. Caius Marcius Coriolanus just before he disappeared up himself.
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Post by eleceng on Sept 13, 2016 6:05:13 GMT -5
Check out policalvelcraft/chemtrails-why/ eleceng.
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Post by colly0410 on Jul 16, 2019 4:01:02 GMT -5
So they're doing away with the free TV licence for over 75's unless they're claiming pension credit! Won't affect me for a few years yet as I'm too young, but. I did as the government advised years ago & saved some money in ISA's & building society accounts, now I'm retired I'm barred from getting pension credit as I have too much money in savings. Ahh well, at least I could afford to go to America on hols for 2 weeks last month & we're off for a 6 days line dance hols in Harrogate next week. I'm thinking "might as well spend it as can't take it with me!" & We've got no kids to leave it to, got some nieces & nephews but all but 2 of them are idiots, lol...
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Post by colly0410 on Nov 30, 2019 10:45:50 GMT -5
Had an e-mail from the nice BBC to say I've over paid my TV licence by £234-32 by direct debit, all I have to do is send them my bank account No & sort code & they'll refund me. They must think I'm daft, I paid for the licence in cash at the Co-op. If I'd have paid by direct debit they'd have my bank account & sort code No's on file & have no need to ask for them. Wonder if anyone has fallen for this phishing scam?
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Post by colly0410 on Jun 26, 2020 14:30:05 GMT -5
TV licence ran out a few weeks ago & had a reminder letter. Problem is the only place round here to renew it with cash (I refuse to pay by direct debit or online) is a Co-op down town & the few times I've been past in the last few months there's a great big queue all the way round the block. If the BBC cops turn up at my door they can't come in the house as the government says they can't, so they'll have no proof I'm watching TV. Wonder how many other cash payers are having problems renewing their licence?
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Post by fortythreesflyer on Jun 26, 2020 15:25:05 GMT -5
With all the repeats and reality crap that's on BBC they should be paying us to watch.
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Post by maverick on Jul 6, 2020 21:22:38 GMT -5
What will happen, the BBC goons called Crapita will turn up and try to persuade you to pay, why? because they get £20 commission for everyone they get to pay so money is their overriding motive.
It follows the same script, they turn up and try to get your name so never give it to them. They try to convince you that you are breaking the law!!!! what law? its a civil matter so you are not breaking any laws. They will try to get you to self incriminate so say nothing to them. They may threaten you with the Police, they may even call them so let them; if the police attend and try to get you to let them in then they are in breach of their own codes as it is a civil matter and they can only act in criminal matters. Under common law and the courts own rules backed by numerous lawful precedents no third party such as workmen or the police can gain entry for anyone else as this is determined as an unlawful entry and anything following this is deemed as unlawful and invalid so its civil tort time and the police will pay, in hard cash. They may claim they have a warrant, they may have a piece of paper but it isn't a lawful warrant and this operates in two ways, they turn up with a piece of paper which crapita print out themselves and have been caught out many times doing so, do the police arrest them, do they buggery despite the fact this is a criminal offence under Fraud Act 2006, Theft Act 1968, and the Courts Act. Now they operate differently after being caught out so many times and adopt the same procedures as councils do, they hire the court for half a day along with a magistrate, the hire of the court costs varies regionally and the magistrate gets £4 per signature and this goes to the court; HMCTS comprises the magistrates court, crown court, and the tribunal service and is a private company.
Any lawful warrant must contain two things and these are a court seal with the issuing court number on it and the signature of the magistrate with their name clearly printed underneath it and if it doesn't have these then it isn't a lawful warrant, it is merely a scam to pressure you into letting them in by YOUR CONSENT and with any liability there must be a benefit and for any benefit there must be a liability, what does this mean? in basic terms someone does you wrong you have the lawful right
to redress and if the magistrate signs a warrant HMCTS is getting a benefit so there must be a liability and the liability is that the signatory is liable for their errors which is why magistrates have to take out a bond insurance which they pay themselves. If someone hires a court and magistrate then they are not operating in their official capacity in petty criminal matters as they are operating in their PRIVATE CAPACITY and this is significant, if they are operating on magistrates court business then this is dealing with criminal matters and they are protected by various exemptions namely operating on court business, if they are operating in their private capacity this exemption doesn't apply so they are no different to anyone else and you sue them as you would anyone else, and it gets better as they can only issue a warrant with power of entry to Police, HMRS, Customs and Immigration service and a couple of others operating in CRIMINAL MATTERS and they cannot issue a warrant with power of entry for a civil matter and dealings with the BBC are civil matters.
Only two courts can issue a warrant with power to force entry and these are higher courts called High Court and Supreme Court, High courts have several divisions and these are Chancery, Queens Bench, and Family Division and they have local divisions called County Courts and these actually have the power to issue warrants for civil matters with power of entry and these are difficult to get as crapita would have to prove an offence had been committed which is nigh on impossible unless you confess, and unless they have irrefutible proof the County Court won't issue a warrant, then there's costs, in 2019 I bought a case in the High court and it was £5250 per hour or part hour + VAT just for the court, then theres their costs, costs of a barrister, and they chase you for £150.
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