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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 7:13:37 GMT -5
I "thought" UK income tax was legal, although someone I know had a couple of books out stating UK and Australian plus other countries basing their law on old English law stated there was no basis in law forcing anyone to pay income taxes.
There's also land taxes, USA, they are not legal period, property is a right, and a right cannot be changed into a privilege under law..
So therefore we "don't own our land" we "rent it from the state" But, I always "thought" UK land was "rented" from the Crown??? The Rates of lands, but again it's the "thought" ie brainwashed into thinking the wrong way. That explains some Youtube videos made by people who have researched "rates" and council taxes and challenged them in open court.
I'm not sure if you're aware of "fiat" money and how the banking system works, and it's not the way most folk think!!
In this country ask many Americans who owns the Federal Reserve Bank, and the answer you will get is, the US government...If only they knew the truth, most just don't believe it when I tell them!!
There was a case brought in California some years back, a feller was hit by a Federal Reserve Bank armoured truck, his car was a mess and he suffered serious injury. He sued for damages and compensation for his injuries, in the Brief, his Lawyer cited XXXXXX V the US government, and then why he was suing.
The Judge too one look at the brief and threw it out, on being asked by the attorney, he was told, wrong plaintiff, the Federal Reserve was not owned by the federal government.
Back to legalese, I'll bet most who read this thread are not aware that when they are asked to write their names in upper case letters, that they are declaring they are a corporation....
My name is John Waudby, not JOHN WAUDBY, vast difference.
Birth certificates, even today over here a birth entry in the family Bible is still recognized as proof of birth.
We also have another voluntary scheme over here called Social Security, most think it's compulsory to sign their children up at birth, but no, it's not, even the Social Security Administration will verify that one in writing if asked. The only problem is, they will tell you you cannot pay your income taxes or open a Bank account without a S/S Number...Big deal!! There's the proof income taxes are totally voluntary, and also why should a Bank require a government number from the client before trading with them??? To make them an "outsider" All started in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act, sneaked through Congress and the Senate during a recess when a few traitors took advantage of the quorum rules...
If we had "real money" instead of fiat money, credit cards would be illegal, in fact they still represent fraud even with "fiat money"
We could post on these subjects until the cows come home, it's a vast subject!
It's amazing how distrustful of government I've become since finding out so much of what they do in the halls of power are just "smoke and mirrors"..
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 22, 2014 7:26:17 GMT -5
Daz,your not the only one who cannot make head or tail of this, It sounds like Anarchy, It also sounds like the Udm get out of jail card.
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 9:43:26 GMT -5
I'll give you something to think about Jim, firstly, I'm not a communist, or socialist, I used to be a "Bolshy bastard" when I worked for a living though, a strong trade unionist.
Now, here's a question for you, how free do you think you are??? In one answer "YOU'RE NOT"!!
Now lets go back in history, we haven't been "free men, or women", for well over 1000 years!!! By "free" I mean to do whatever we want without some government intervention!!! We the peasants didn't invent government, the rich rulers did to PROTECT their interests, not ours, yeah they occasionally threw us some crumbs to prevent a revolt, like the vote etc..
Now, lets go back, around 2000 years back we were free men, we could carve out a bit of land, grow crops sell them to buy other things, we didn't have a written language, but we managed..
Go forward to when the written word was around, as peasants we were forbidden to learn to read and write, the Catholic Church put a stop to that, in fact you weren't even allowed to have a Bible, you accepted what the Priest told you.
You were the property of some Lord or the King, a serf or better put a "slave".
Problem was nature caught up with the ruling classes, disease and famine wiped out hundreds of thousands of serfs, leaving a shortage of manpower to grow crops and work the bellpits for fuel.. Our ancestors rose up in crude unions and demanded more pay and better conditions, problem was the Lords soldiers were we, the peasants, so they bowed down to us, gave us a better standard of living and sent us away to do a spot of breeding to boost their future workforce.....
Then sometime in the early 1800's poorhouse etc started teaching us to read and write, I'll bet the ruling classes were getting worried, but it benefited them in the long run.., within another 100 years they had a fairly well educated workforce that could invent things for them to make huge profits from.
Now, lets jump to the mid 20th century, to the likes of you and our generation, I'd say we are the highest educated of our class in the history of the working man, noticed how many illiterate youngsters there are now??? Is that an accident??? Of course not, educated "peasants" are dangerous to the ones ruling us, we are a threat to their existence, so they have altered the education system to dumb down youngsters.
Sounds stupid I know, but when we learned to read and write, just as an example, we learned by the highly successful phonetic system, didn't fail my grandfather, my Mum and Dad, nor me and billions of other kids around the world. How many of our generation are illiterate? I'll bet it is in figures of o point something!! Even the poorest kids in our generation had a first class basic education. Today those kids would be left behind. Illiteracy is at alarming levels.
Now think back, the miners strike of 84, forget the scabs and working class stupidity that went on, it wasn't about uneconomic pits, it was about putting the working classes back in their place, subjugation!!
For centuries "we" have been told what to do, "the law says you must" we obeyed like sheep, we never questioned commands from authority or our "betters"
Today, we have whole libraries at our finger tips from the top universities in the western world, many of us have taken advantage of being able to read law books that we cannot afford, ever seen the price of them???
The powers that be are having a job now controlling us, we have learned that most laws are NOT applicable to us and "they" don't like it, they are fighting to keep us in check.
When Bill Clinton was President, he tabled a Private Members Bill to censor the Internet, he stated he wanted pornography removed from the internet...Yeah right, the biggest sex predator in the US government wanted to outlaw pornography on the internet...
Many of us saw through that smoke screen, it was a red herring, we fought hammer and tooth to keep government out of censorship, we'd have been denied freedom of thought had it succeeded, we'd have been denied access to vital freedom information, and possibly our emails would have been censored too.
A year ago internet censorship was on the books again from the European Union, it was fought and "they" backed down.
It's vital that EVERYONE learns the laws and how they apply to them.
OK, Income tax, is it needed? NO!! It stifles an economy....Besides, how many governments really see a penny of income taxes?
The US government doesn't, the Federal Reserve collects US income taxes!!! The IRS isn't a government entity, it's the collecting agency of the Federal Reserve, loads of evidence!
So where does the US government get it's day to day income from??? Corporate and Excise taxes, which are not paid to the IRS but to the US Treasury.
So why are income taxes imposed on US workers? It's a "machine" to reduce inflation, you'll have to read up on how the Federal Reserve works, it's self explanatory after that.
Ok we are now at the present, you've heard of the rule "Ignorance is no defense in the eye's of the law" Right, so the government requires you to file a certain form to do a certain thing, "they" inform you it's the law, so there, file it and sign it under penalties of perjury....
OK so far?? In actual fact, because you have taken "their" word without checking, you have just committed a fraud and perjury, why?? Because that form WASN'T legally required and YOU signed that form under of penalty of perjury that you understood 100%.
I found many sites that are reputable, many even give reference's for you to check the law out, with case law and lawbook citations.
I know it's weird being confronted with something that flies in the face of everything we have been taught, that's because we weren't taught to double check everything we have been taught with independent sources. Even "Legal eagles" rarely know all the law, they employ staff to locate case law and other law before going to court, to give their clients the best chance of getting off criminal charges.
When I was at Tech, and Daz will have gone through the same things, as we were involved in "exact Sciences" with physical laws, so we had to read text books to back up the teachers lectures, I was also given titles of other books that would aid in study.
But at basic schools all books were selected by the education authority and we had to accept it as gospel, or spend time at the local library..Yeah right.....LOL
Hope that shed a little light on what we have been discussing.
Try doing some researching, freedom, local council taxes legal or illegal, how legal is the income taxes, search parameters like those, it gets easy after a few years.... Make sure you cross reference things to legal cases though!!!!
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Post by smshogun on Feb 22, 2014 10:04:08 GMT -5
Yes, and it is becoming more popular as people try and find out their rights, and this is more to do with debt than anything else as many more people are in debt and try to fight it, they then move on to these other areas of law as they comprehend the principles of Common Law and act and statute pretend law.
We have to go back to the beginning, and the key point to understand is that we have Common Law which is defined as what a normal man would do in those exact circumstances and this encompasses Harm, Loss and Injury so in reality it covers it all, and in days gone by you would hear the charges being read out in court as "You are charged with the COMMON LAW offence of and the charge would be stated", now they begin with are you "and give your name" and most people say yes, in reality it isn't their name as they don't know as their parents only told them it was their name and in law it is classed as hearsay, and not admissible as evidence in court, but admitting to the legal fiction name provides JOINDER.Joinder is where you connect two things in law and by admitting to the name you've admitted to being the legal fiction for their purposes, or accepting liability for the legal fiction, in either case you're going to pay.
If we take it a step further we understand why its a corporate process, by acting as the name on the birth certificate we act as a corporation and anyone in the know who sees beyond their deceit sees that all star chambers (magistrates courts and crown courts) are private companies, all police forces are private companies, DWP is a private company trading as Jobcentre Plus, all local councils are private companies, and many corporations providing a public service are private companies, yet none are registered on Companies House, but go to a foreign business site and you find them all as registered companies along with their company registration number, proof they are registered companies and Government are hiding this fact. Therefore any court attendance to a star chamber is a business transaction, an act is something done and a statute is derived from the term "statutory company policy" which is corporate policy, or a policy of that company; it is not your policy or my policy, so they are effectively applying their company policy to you and to get you to accept it as your policy or it being applicable to you and the only way they can do this is to get YOUR consent to their policy.
Once you consent to their company policy you are going to court (star chamber) as a business and you have breached their company policy and consented to it, therefore they are discussing the breach of their policy and how much they are going to charge you for the privilege of accepting their company policy and you breaking it, hence the need to get consent.
As for solicitors, they treat it as a game, most go through the motions as they get paid irrespective of whether you are found guilty or not guilty so for them its a win-win situation so why should they care as they still send you there bill, in addition you get some very specialised solicitors in various areas who are superb and their ability to get people off a charge and their abilities and recognition as an expert in that specific field brings in more cases on reputation alone which brings in more revenue for them, so again its all about them lining their pockets. They have no vested interest in Common Law as it costs them work as people can act for themselves and do what we do and get themselves off for free, this means less work for the solicitors and less income if too many people find out their rights, Common Law, and how to avoid jurisdiction; they will do as we do and apply Common Law and the case won't even be started so they lose their hourly fees as a case is dismissed before it even begins and there is no work for them to do, so basically they are not needed.
A few examples, yes and I can base them on my own experience; one common tactic we employ is to enforce our lawful (not legal) rights to have a case heard in a Common Law hearing which means it is a Common Law court and once we submit the paperwork the local magistrates/crown (combined) court receive the paperwork they begin stalling and get up to silly tricks to try to stop us from going to the High Court and this is for good reasons; firstly the judgement is made before you even enter the building in a star chamber, and secondly they lose revenue. They have no vested or financial interest in you going to the High Court. Once again a case in the High Court is free as justice is free, but as a star chamber is a private company they charge someone they can get for free so would you pay? NO, neither would we, but they still fine someone and add on court costs which is where there income as a private company comes in, its profit; now the High Court only operates under Common Law so they cannot bring a case under acts and statutes in a Common Law court; and they have to send up a High Court judge from London to one of the regional courts with the facilities to house a High Court hearing locally to you instead of you trolling off down to London where most High Court cases are held. Now the bits a magistrates/crown court don't want you to know, the DISTRICT REGISTRY is a registry with every judgement made In that district recorded on it, it includes magistrates court, crown court, High Court, Arbitral Tribunal (arbitration hearing) and secret family court hearings, and even local legislation formerly called Bye Laws. This district registry has to have someone to enter all the judgements onto it and they are called the PRACTISE MASTER now try and find any information about the practise master, you will find little to none as they bury it deeply so the average individual doesn't even know they exist, but why? we all have the right to have our case hears in a common law court, the High Court, but have to have it referred by a star chamber and this has to be recorded on the district registry and the average star chamber bluff and say they can't enter a judgement which means they are telling half truths to try to prevent us having our lawful rights; no a star chamber cannot enter a judgement so this is true, but they never tell you that it has to be entered by the Practise master at their court. We can clearly see the fraud and deceit, tell a half truth and don't give out the information, but if you go into the court and ask for the Practise Master their attitude changes and they think "bloody hell this guy knows what he's talking about and he knows about something we're trying to keep secret" and we see him directly and get the senior clerk to sit in, we give the Practise master the papers to submit the case onto the District Registry and as the senior clerk has the power of a magistrate we sign the documents in his presence and ask him to notarise them which saves us £40+ In using a public notary to witness our signatures. Now the case has to be entered on the District Registry and be heard in a High Court hearing at the nearest available facility.
Remember they have to act against the name, in one speeding case we tried a new approach, he went to court (magistrates) on the date and time on the summons, went into the dock in the magistrates court, stood when the magistrates entered. so played their games and gave them consent, then the clerk stood up and said "are you Mr John ********** of and gave his address" he simply replied "NO I AM A MAN" and this totally threw them, no consent or joinder between him as the flesh and blood human being and the legal fiction, so the lead magistrate who was totally clued up said to the prosecuting solicitor "do you still wish to proceed with this case" and the clerk who was also clued up went to the prosecution solicitor and they whispered. Suddenly the magistrate asked the question again and the prosecution replied NO, insufficient evidence your worship, case dismissed. What happened? basically by saying "I am a man" he stuffed them because it is a statute it can only be applied against a corporation and by saying I am a man he is applying disjoinder between himself as a flesh and blood human being and the legal fiction which is the corporation, so the case cannot proceed, he also gave them no name which they need to apply joinder and the magistrate was clued up enough to realise they were going to get nowhere and a lot of time could be spent in that case to generate no revenue; when they could hear several other cases and generate revenue.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 22, 2014 10:21:21 GMT -5
Excellent post John, but if I could add a little:
Actually its under penalty of Perjury with full commercial liability.
Now how can a flesh and blood human being he held under full commercial liability? they can't only the legal fiction can as this is the corporation willingly created by your parents when they registered your birth. Proof is there if you look for it.
Tygwyn:
Such silly comments clearly prove you are one of the many ignorant and would benefit from learning some of this stuff, then you wouldn't be so indoctrinated and closed minded, and no this is not an insult or me having a pop as you are a shining example of indoctrination.
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 10:25:11 GMT -5
Here's a perfect example of what smshogon is on about in a Magistrates court action.
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 10:31:58 GMT -5
Also, it's very difficult to get "one's" head around this sort of thing, with many, many years of government indoctrination behind us. It's a revelation to finally get "the blinkers off" and know the truth. I haven't stopped learning, been involved with this stuff now for nearly 20 years.
One of the best books I ever bought, and it probably would be useful to UK patriots too, is "The Organic Sovereign American Freeman Compendium" Vols 1 and 2.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 22, 2014 13:26:54 GMT -5
Nice video Jonh, have you read Judge Dale's blogs, he is a retired US judge and really exposes many of the scams in his writing.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 22, 2014 13:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 14:14:30 GMT -5
Nice video Jonh, have you read Judge Dale's blogs, he is a retired US judge and really exposes many of the scams in his writing. No never come across him, but will certainly look for him now.
There's plenty of videos on Youtube regarding rights. One thing over this side of the pond is NEVER, say anything to ANY public official, whether it be a police officer or state worker period, chat about the weather, but better still, say "I've nothing to say" or ask "Is this off the record" to which they have to answer "No, everything has to be noted" And we are advised to NEVER invite anyone from government into ones home, EVER. The problem is, most people will have some evidence of a law violation and not even realize it. Police officers are trained to openly look everywhere without violating a persons rights, BUT, if they spot something, they have probably cause for a warrant less search.
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 14:24:03 GMT -5
I live down a long private road, 1/2 mile long with No Trespassing posted. Trespass is a criminal offense in all states in the US, we have the power to make a citizens arrest and file charges of Criminal Trespass.
Census time, our census forms ask hundreds of questions, all voluntary except, how many people live at the property and were they in residence on Census day. They are the only two Constitutional questions we are required to answer.. It asks race of everyone, religion, income of everyone etc etc.
Two census ladies arrived, I was pretty busy, I was re roofing the house so I didn't want bothering, let alone being hassled. One of them started asking questions, I asked "Did you see the no trespassing signs at the top of the road"?? "Oh yes, but we're from the government and they don't apply to us" "Really??? Then you'd better get your asses off my property right now, or we'll see what the Sheriff has to say when I impound your car, arrest you and file charges of Criminal Trespass then" " She just about had a heart attack on the spot!! I did tell her two people lived here, and both were away on census day... "Now get the hell off this property"
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 22, 2014 16:48:52 GMT -5
Nice video Jonh, have you read Judge Dale's blogs, he is a retired US judge and really exposes many of the scams in his writing. Just about word perfect to what you have been spouting, John, Was there a 2nd video to follow the one you posted? As the way it ended,and the comment about the police constables up holding the oath,was misleading,as they would not talk over their superior,hence their silence. It would be interesting to see what the Sergeant did in the next episode,so we can all go to court and avoid paying our council tax. There was a conspiracy theorist on Aditnow a few weeks back,is opening post was a blast,he reckoned it was Scargill that closed the Pits ,not Thatcher,and that she wanted to keep the coal industry,lol.
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Post by John on Feb 22, 2014 17:51:24 GMT -5
Nice video Jonh, have you read Judge Dale's blogs, he is a retired US judge and really exposes many of the scams in his writing. Just about word perfect to what you have been spouting, John, Was there a 2nd video to follow the one you posted? As the way it ended,and the comment about the police constables up holding the oath,was misleading,as they would not talk over their superior,hence their silence. It would be interesting to see what the Sergeant did in the next episode,so we can all go to court and avoid paying our council tax. There was a conspiracy theorist on Aditnow a few weeks back,is opening post was a blast,he reckoned it was Scargill that closed the Pits ,not Thatcher,and that she wanted to keep the coal industry,lol. What I posted about US law is not a conspiracy theory Jim, it can all be corroborated by reading US code, past and present and reading past court cases, I cannot verify UK law as I haven't read any other than the M@Q Acts of which we had to learn at Tech school.
All the definitions I quoted were taken from Title 26 USC, our income tax law book, so they most certainly are not a conspiracy.
In our courts they have the Stars and Stripes flag, but it is fringed with gold braid....Points to a military court, ie an Admiralty Court, not a common law court, again you can research this and you'll find it's not conspiracy.. It's fact. We also work under Uniform Commercial Code..Look it up!!
It's basically "business law" Laws of contracts!! Thats why you see at the end of movies in the titles "All Rights Reserved" You can find that in the Uniform Commercial Code.
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 22, 2014 19:01:58 GMT -5
Have you been hunting Buffalo out in the Breaks again?
It was Not you i was referring to in the first instance,
I only inquired of you,was there a 2nd video to follow the one you posted,as that one ended in a misleading position,and a 2nd would see what happened regarding the Sergeant and the Solicitor or whatever he was.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 22, 2014 23:10:20 GMT -5
Tygwyn:
Stop your blathering, what you meant to say was that I posted about the pits being closed and based upon nearly 2 decades of research and reading the releases under the 20 year rule we did considerable research and found that over £80M came into the NUM without any trace as any electronic transaction leaves a footprint and one of our team working on this is actually a forensic accountant who is regarded as one of the best in the world, yet could find no trace of this money which is now nearly £90M as more has been found and accounted for; so no conspiracy, just you and your indoctrination and ignorance.
The upshot of is that it was the EU who were the only ones capable of losing this amount of money without trace as they have not had their accounts audited for about 18 years because they are so corrupt that no reputable company will put their name to auditing their accounts as they all know the EU is corrupt.
If any legitimate company moved this amount of money it would show up, move it legally and it is done electronically and leaves a footprint which is very easily traced so the Government could easily find it, it leaves the country then it may be eligible for tax or even a tax rebate which would show up in the companies audited accounts, move it in stages then it also leaves a trace in the form of accounting from one bank to another. Move it illegally then you have to use men and diplomatic channels to move commercial instruments in diplomatic pouches as you cannot get this amount of UK legal tender £'s sterling as this amount of cash doesn't exist abroad. You produce numerous lower value commercial instruments and get a diplomat to bring them in as they are not searched under diplomatic rules and they change their commercial instrument from the form they use to another form which is cash as this is a promissory note which is a commercial instrument, then give it to the strike fund as cash which cannot be traced.
Now let me put a question to you, before I do I will mention that 85% of the worlds wealth is owned by much less than 1% of the worlds population, some call them the Illuminati, some call them the social elite, some call them other things.
Where did you get your information from about the strike? the Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, Times, or any other newspaper; maybe the BBC, ITV, Sky?
Who do you think owns these media outlets, oh yes the large media groups, where do they get their information from? oh yes large news agencies such as Reuters and many others, and who do you think owns these large groups? oh yes the same people perpetuating this pit closure, so those behind it plan it, implement it, then give you their version of it through the media groups they own.
Now Tygwyn I am not like you making silly and petty comments and veiled insinuations as hopefully I have more respect for others and work solely from facts and indoctrination.
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Post by dazbt on Feb 23, 2014 4:51:20 GMT -5
As usual I have to admit that I just can't get my tiny miseducated brain around a lot of this freemen strawmen fact/theory/assumption or whatever it is and in fairness I consider myself to have reached a point in life that I will far too easily accept whatever 'crap or abuse' is thrown at me ............ providing that, in my heart of hearts I believe that I deserve it (which would be a major part of what I would consider Common Law should be, based on the premise that a reasonable person would/should be able to recognise right from wrong). There is a great deal of criminal/statute law that I agree with, at least in principle and consider 'it' to be instituted and applied for my protection and benefit ......... there you go, I admit I am almost completely institutionalised ! I don't want a modern world where some people would consider it fair play to avoid reasonable control of their actions/intention when it can, does or has done harm to others either personally, to their families, to their rightful property or indeed any other innocent party, simply by defeating the so called justice system by cleverly declaring themselves 'A Man', that type of avoidance applied to what I would, and expect others to believe are actions that should be illegal and stopped, prevented or receive 'a punishment' for having been committed. Smshogun and John, obviously in your beliefs and thoughts on the invalidity of the existing legal systems (the systems that we are indoctrinated to accept as valid)you have spent a lot of time and effort in thrashing out and identifying many of these underhanded means used by the existing systems to manipulate and control 'us', so how would they be replaced, particularly in reference to laws of criminality, those that are now collated under so called Acts and Statutes, items such as covered by The Road Traffic Acts, Offences Against the Persons Act and certainly the Criminal Damage Act and Theft Act. If those Act's contain such offences that are considered reasonable by a reasonable person how would those laws be maintained and applied under Common Law? If you could start with a simple example such as speeding and keep the answer simple I would be obliged, and probably grasp your thoughts a bit easier. Please don't look on this request as being silly and dismiss it as such, I'm trying hard to envisage what you mean at times, within all the legalese(?)
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 23, 2014 6:26:09 GMT -5
The Udm get out of jail card again,trying to justify Why you worked through the Strike,blaming other Foreign Coalfields for supporting the NUM,while you lot,turned your backs on other Miner`s.
My information came from being picketed out of work by Abernant Lodge,see ,i worked in the Private sector,but did`nt cross the picket line,unlike you Spencer boy`s.
Don`t call me ignorant,you arrogant bastard.
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Post by colly0410 on Feb 23, 2014 7:22:31 GMT -5
A lawyer called Nick Freeman was known as Mr loophole, he was all over the papers after getting celebs off motoring offence charges. But; the papers never explained how he did it, they never told us what was said in court. I'm now wondering if it's on the lines of what's been discussed below..
I've had 2 speeding tickets & 1 seat belt ticket, I was too cowardly to go to court & just paid the fixed penalty fines..
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Post by John on Feb 23, 2014 7:49:23 GMT -5
I go with the flow these days too Daz, too old and haven't the time or resources to challenge "them" in the courts, it still pays to research and know your rights though, there may be a time when you have to exert them in this changing world.
And gentlemen, behave like gentleman, conspiracy theories are come about from government circles and usually have a lot of basis in fact or are total facts the governments DON'T want you to believe. I lost faith in government many years back, they are bloated with overpaid employees from top to bottom with mostly employees who wouldn't last five minutes in private enterprise so justify their positions by ridiculing people who know what they are up to.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 23, 2014 16:01:38 GMT -5
Clearly you are ignorant tygwyn and pretty damn thick when you cannot enter a debate and just snipe at people because of your prejudices and assumptions. This is proven by your previous comments.
blaming other Foreign Coalfields for supporting the NUM
Nowhere have I blamed any foreign coalfields, just proven from my research and that of a team of us that the money for the strike came from the EU and its representatives; if you wish to claim it came from foreign coalfields then put your point across without abuse to others.
So you clearly admit to doing no actual research, but still feel compelled to insult and abuse others who have, it really shows what type of individual you are when you have to resort to such insults and no facts.
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 23, 2014 16:27:10 GMT -5
If you had been on strike,then you would have been aware of support from the Spanish Miner`s for one,
It is you that is condemning the support the NUM got from outside the UK,well you would if you were working would`nt you,
If you really want to debate this,as i suggested to you before,post it on the Welshcoalmines.co.uk website,where you will get into debate with Miner`s who picketed you lot,i Dare you,lol.
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Post by John on Feb 23, 2014 16:34:33 GMT -5
Can we have LESS "flaming" each other please!!! We have visitors from all over the world, if you cannot debate in a gentalmanly manner, then ignore each others posts.
Thankyou.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 23, 2014 20:30:48 GMT -5
Totally agree John.
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Post by smshogun on Feb 23, 2014 20:46:26 GMT -5
Dazbt:
Please don't put yourself down as I have the utmost respect for someone like you as you have faced something which challenges most peoples perceptions and you have entered a debate in a gentlemanly manner and asked relevant questions totally in keeping with the issue; and from my perspective you are anything but miseducated as your questions are NOT silly as they pertain to the issue being discussed asking for clarification in a manner you can understand. In addition I may also be guilty of information overload, so accept some responsibility for the situation.
Under Common Law most of the issues raised are already covered, and the remaining can still be dealt with under Common Law by precedent which is when a Judge (High Court) makes a ruling on that particular issue, you are indeed correct about knowing the difference between right and wrong and this is a basic premise of Common Law and this is actually contained within common law as a basic principle so Common Law could be used to protect people as it used to be and we can eliminate most Acts and Statutes immediately and remove their money making ability capabilities.
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Post by colly0410 on Feb 27, 2014 6:40:41 GMT -5
Back to TV licence....Been on news that the BBC want law changed so you need a licence to watch non live catch-up TV on line E.G. BBC i-player, ITV player, 5 catch-up ect. Didn't mention you-tube though. Wonder how they'd enforce it?
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Post by smshogun on Feb 27, 2014 14:15:04 GMT -5
Colly, they've been after this for years and Government is against it particularly now more and more people are finding out about their rights, they even wanted people to have a TV Licence for mobile phones with the capability to receive TV even though it wasn't enabled, every laptop buyer and tablet buyer to have a licence even though they download on catch up, they even went as far modern cars as many vehicles integrated systems allow the option of in car TV, my company BMW does, but as I rarely watch TV at home I am damned if I'm watching it in a bloody car.
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Post by smshogun on Mar 6, 2014 11:27:02 GMT -5
Colly:
I can answer your question very simply.
A summons is an "offer to contract" and by turning up at court at the determined time and date; OR filling in their paperwork and pleading guilty you have contracted with them so you are bound by the conditions of their contract.
You turn up at court and enter the court, magistrates enter and usher says "all rise" and you stand then you have consented to the authority OF THE COURT by standing and accepted its authority.
By accepting the authority of the court you accept the authority of the magistrates.
They ask "are you Mr Fred Bloggs? you say YES, you have just accepted liability for the legal fiction created by the birth certificate as you accepted liability for and on the record for the term MR which refers to the legal fiction and not the human being.
So how did Mr Loophole work?
He questioned the validity and authority of the court; he began by stating and asking "for and on the record is this a common law court operating under common law jurisdiction as we claim common law rights" and the clerk to the justices would have to say yes, if they say no then they are stuffed and admitted they cannot proceed as they are in breach of their own legislation and the criminal offence of fraud by misrepresentation and the clerk could be arrested and charged with fraud by misrepresentation.
The magistrates would enter and everyone would stand up and consent to the authority of the court, only then would Mr Loophole bring into court the defendant, by doing this he had successfully circumvented the authority of both the court and magistrates. The defendant would sit alongside him and not enter the dock or conform to any demands made by the clerk to the magistrates or the magistrates; and they were told exactly what to do before they even entered the court.
Therefore neither the court or the magistrates had jurisdiction over the defendant and the case could NOT proceed so it would be thrown out.
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Post by dazbt on Feb 7, 2015 5:21:47 GMT -5
He was out & his Australian Wife let them in & told them all they wanted to know, she'd never heard of a TV licence, it happened a few years ago mind you. According to TV licencing website it's a criminal offence coz it's classed as a tax, & you can do jail time for tax evasion as Lester Piggot knows. I wouldn't mind so much if the programs were better but most of it's bilge.. It definitely is a criminal offence and those convicted have a criminal record as a result. Somebody else hasn't quite grasped the 'Strawman Theory' either; "Jail for failing to pay your TV licence"
"Failing to pay your TV licence will remain a criminal offence - which could land you in jail - after the House of Lords rejected the government's plans to decriminalise non-payment." money.aol.co.uk/2015/02/06/jail-for-failing-to-pay-your-tv-licence/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl17%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D327655
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 7, 2015 12:45:45 GMT -5
That does kind of change the situation of who is actually ignorant by trying to be smart.
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Post by eleceng on Mar 12, 2015 9:48:27 GMT -5
John, been looking back at some of the subjects on site.
Came across reference to dumbing down of kids. This applies to society in general. Have you come across Chem-trails and HAARP (case sensitive). Also fluoridation of water supplies.
These are methods of dumbing down people.
Chem-trails involve spraying from aircraft or drones with chemicals.
In 50's, parts of UK were sprayed in anticipation of Cold War aggression to see what effect it would have on public.
Chem-trails have been dismissed as vapour trails. NOT SO. Vapour trails disappear, chem-trails don't, they just expand into cloud base.
Hope you find this interesting, or perhaps you know more!!!!
Mick
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