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Post by stoney on Nov 28, 2012 4:24:24 GMT -5
just a suggestion.- for a place for new members to give a bit of detail about themselves. what am i doing on here? well, in response to a request from my grandson "what were you doing down the pit and will you write it down so I can get some good marks at school. well im here to help so ok give me a couple of weeks and Ill see what I can do. now we need a bit of indepth info to pad it out a bit so here I am. looking for info on Ferrymoor, Monkton 3&4, Grimethorpe. swapped my hammer and chisel for a computer and a flying diget stoney
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Post by dazbt on Nov 28, 2012 5:27:14 GMT -5
just a suggestion.- for a place for new members to give a bit of detail about themselves. what am i doing on here? well, in response to a request from my grandson "what were you doing down the pit and will you write it down so I can get some good marks at school. well im here to help so ok give me a couple of weeks and Ill see what I can do. now we need a bit of indepth info to pad it out a bit so here I am. looking for info on Ferrymoor, Monkton 3&4, Grimethorpe. swapped my hammer and chisel for a computer and a flying diget stoney Hya stoney, welcome aboard, I'm guessing that we must be from the same neck of the woods. re the suggestion of having an 'introducing yourself' topic on here, there is one already, look at; coalmine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=15sWhat sort of info are you looking for on Grimey, Ferrymoor and Monckton? There is a very detailed book on Monckton Collieries written by a local lad entitled "Monckton its Origins and History" by P.A. Thorpe. If you are near Barnsley there is a bookstall in the upstairs indoor market run by a guy named Chris, he specialises i local history books and photos, if anyone can help with local book info he's yer man.
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Post by Wheldale on Nov 28, 2012 7:04:37 GMT -5
Hi Stoney, My dads family worked at Monckon 3&4. Heres a link to my flickr account, got some Monckton photos on there. www.flickr.com/photos/wheldale/The book Daz mentions is very good too. I got my copy from Caphouse.
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Post by stoney on Nov 28, 2012 14:15:13 GMT -5
hi dazbt whoops didnt see that. wanted just the basic on ferrymoor I did my training there so how deep what seam etc. I have the book you mention and this is what my grandson looked at and started his questions that sent me on this quest. lived in Ryhill up to end of monkton then moved over the hills. wheldale great pics on fliker recognized the photo of the deputy's but unfortunately can only name one, altzimers catching up probably. worked as fitter on 50s face installed gear and then worked there up to closing day. hard work but happy days.
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Post by dazbt on Nov 28, 2012 14:21:40 GMT -5
FERRYMOOR COLLIERY SUNK 1915 by Hodroyd Coal co Shafton Seam at 56yds 54” section Electrified 1919 after takeover by Carlton Main Colliery Co. Two drifts 1945 Riddings Drift 1969 1st April 1973 Ferrymoor Riddings amalgamated
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Post by Wheldale on Nov 28, 2012 14:36:05 GMT -5
Hi stoney, my uncle Lewis Franks is in the deputies photo, got the names on the back of the photo. You might have known my dad ernie Franks or my uncle len Franks. Ryhill lads who worked at 3&4 until it shut.
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Post by Wheldale on Nov 28, 2012 16:24:30 GMT -5
Hi Stoney, Sorry cant seem to upload the photo, but this is the link again for the mine officials www.flickr.com/photos/wheldale/4227662355/in/set-72157622975987933Left to right seated - I Kattel Deputy, H Peers Overman, L Franks Deputy, L wilson Fitter. Standing - E Gillian Under Manager, B Wiggins Engineer, J Gibson Safety Oficer, C Toft Manager.
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Post by dazbt on Nov 28, 2012 16:36:45 GMT -5
Hi Stoney, Sorry cant seem to upload the photo, but this is the link again for the mine officials www.flickr.com/photos/wheldale/4227662355/in/set-72157622975987933Left to right seated - I Kattel Deputy, H Peers Overman, L Franks Deputy, L wilson Fitter. Standing - E Gillian Under Manager, B Wiggins Engineer, J Gibson Safety Oficer, C Toft Manager.
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Post by Wheldale on Nov 28, 2012 16:54:37 GMT -5
Cheers Daz,
How did you do it? Its been a while since I last uploaded a picture but it all seems to have changed!?
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Post by John on Nov 28, 2012 17:51:04 GMT -5
Hi Stoney, Sorry cant seem to upload the photo, but this is the link again for the mine officials www.flickr.com/photos/wheldale/4227662355/in/set-72157622975987933Left to right seated - I Kattel Deputy, H Peers Overman, L Franks Deputy, L wilson Fitter. Standing - E Gillian Under Manager, B Wiggins Engineer, J Gibson Safety Oficer, C Toft Manager. "Hilite" your link and click on the "picture icon" 4th from the left, bottom row in the "posting" window. OR just select the IMG code from where the photos are and paste it direct to your posts.
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Post by stoney on Nov 29, 2012 5:01:19 GMT -5
wheldale thanks for the photo, vague recolections of your uncles and after a close look at picture recognised Horace Pears he lived down street from me. The guy on his left I would say was the fitter cant think of his surname but named Gerry almost sure if they all went through baths I would recognise them all and believe I was on the same shift. will give it some real thought over next few weeks
dazbt thanks for the info is this the ferrymoor that was in same place as grimethorpe pit and used for training
dave
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Post by dazbt on Nov 29, 2012 5:51:41 GMT -5
Ferrymoor pit was sunk in Grimethorpe pit yard or there abouts, their workings in the Shafton seam extended to within a very short distance of South Kirkby so a new drift (Riddings) was driven in S.Kirkby pit yard incorporated into South Kirkby upcast shaft for ventilation only. Ferrymoor was eventually closed and the men transfered to the Riddings unit which then became known as Ferrymoor Riddings.
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Post by Wheldale on Nov 29, 2012 6:33:41 GMT -5
Didn't the ridings drift incorporate inseam mining as used in America?
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Post by dazbt on Nov 29, 2012 6:58:05 GMT -5
Didn't the ridings drift incorporate inseam mining as used in America? It did indeed and achieved what were considered mind-boggling results for that time, almost 9tons per man. The concept of working retreat longwals within relatively short section was introduced under the directorship of Charlie Rounds who had spent some time in the USA on a fact finding mission. ........ more info later if needed, in a rush at the moment.
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Post by stoney on Nov 29, 2012 10:01:00 GMT -5
thanks dazbt for putting me on the right lines again.
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Post by Wheldale on Nov 29, 2012 10:05:15 GMT -5
Hi Stoney,
Have you seen or read the two volumes of the history of Ryhill? They are old now and hard to come by but have some history of Monckton and the other collieries around Ryhill.
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Post by dazbt on Nov 29, 2012 11:53:22 GMT -5
Hy stoney, just to add a bit more to the Ferrymoor story, the area training centre was originally at Brierley Colliery, a sister pit to Ferrymoor and situated about three quarters of a mile to the north of Ferrymoor. Brieley also worked the Shafton seam but at a much greater depth, it's coal was eventually taken by rope haulage on the surface to Ferrymoor to be washed, Brierley closed in 1947 and then became a training centre for many years. I am unsure as to whether underground training took place at Brierley after closure but it could well have been that trainees from Brierley travelled from there to the Ferrymoor workings for 'hands on'. I do know that both Grimethorpe and Barnsley Main were later used as area training centres, the likelyhood is that Ferrymoor being used as training centre was somewhere in between those periods. What I do remember about Ferrymoor is that I managed to get myself buried there whilst working on the 'unsupported' face side of a HD Trepanner.
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Post by stoney on Nov 29, 2012 13:27:58 GMT -5
hy dazby thanks for the extra info. although I didnt go to the actual workings at ferrymoor only worked within about 100yds from pit bottom lashing tubs onto endless haulage rope, and throwing lockers into tub wheels, think we also put up a ring and a couple of wooden props. full tubs came from somwhere inby but we never went far. watched the empties going down and full uns comeing up
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Post by tygwyn on Nov 29, 2012 14:31:21 GMT -5
What you boys up North called,Lockers,we called Sprags in South Wales.
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Post by Mick on Nov 29, 2012 16:38:26 GMT -5
We used to sprag pans down on last cut before big holiday at Wheldale,i remember once Longman who was under manager came on face and told us to take another cut. We knocked the sprags out on the first cut after the holidays Mick
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Post by stoney on Dec 3, 2012 8:32:33 GMT -5
remember way back I did some photos for a maintenance manual for a B.J.D. shearer, this was for crigglestone training workshop just wondering if any manuals had survived as my copy was last seen in Ryhill when I emigrated to Manchester. the things we wish we had kept hold of. Dave
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2012 9:13:10 GMT -5
remember way back I did some photos for a maintenance manual for a B.J.D. shearer, this was for crigglestone training workshop just wondering if any manuals had survived as my copy was last seen in Ryhill when I emigrated to Manchester. the things we wish we had kept hold of. Dave I have the NCB East Midlands Div BJD Magnamatic Haulage Ends Fault Finding Manual, it's dated October 1962.
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Post by Mick on Dec 3, 2012 10:20:10 GMT -5
Me and a couple of my mates went to riddings with Ryan Mining to get a load of cable out ,we also got all the rails from the drift that the paddy ran on. There was a bloke still there called Firth don't remember his first name but he told us he was the pit overman,it turned out he gave the clean work ware when the pit was running . I remember when we first got there i asked for a tag rope to drag these cables to the paddy Firth went bloody mad saying that if we were seen using one he would sack the lot of us. A week later he got me to one side and said get a rope but i know nothing about it,so i said but you have just said get a rope so how can you turn round and say you new nothing about it, It turned out that him and the Manager had a little deal going off on the side.
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Post by stoney on Dec 4, 2012 4:18:04 GMT -5
hi john I know that I am being a bit cheeky but any chance of a copy.
I dont remember it being printed in No 4 area during the time I was there but do remember taking about 20 or so photographs in various stages. as I stripped the machine down. interesting project just the same. Dave
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 6:54:52 GMT -5
hi john I know that I am being a bit cheeky but any chance of a copy. I dont remember it being printed in No 4 area during the time I was there but do remember taking about 20 or so photographs in various stages. as I stripped the machine down. interesting project just the same. Dave I'll scan it later today Dave.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 13:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 14:35:51 GMT -5
I'm having a spot of bother with Photobucket, they or a hub may be busy, I'll try uploading the rest later, then copy them to here....
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Post by stoney on Dec 5, 2012 3:41:22 GMT -5
hi john not that a fitter could ever teach an electrician to suck eggs, but would it be easyer to send as an attachment to my email address. I have just spent a night shift reading posts and must congratulate you on an excellent web site. with lots off members with interesting posts. brought back the humor and comradery that I had lost/forgotten over the last few years working with civvies.
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Post by John on Dec 5, 2012 6:58:34 GMT -5
Thanks Stoney, if you'd like a personal copy I can email you one, just thought there maybe a fitter or two who would like to see and read through it as well. Yes there's a "mine" of information here now, and growing daily, this is our last chance to get as much down in writing as possible. So much lost from the generation that taught me during my apprentice years, sadly most of those have now gone.
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Post by stoney on Dec 6, 2012 7:21:54 GMT -5
hi john cant fault you reasoning on that one, just looking at the photos made the mind work again. wish I could remember names of all the team but unfortunatly only remember a few. if its no trouble can you email me a copy. going to have a trip to caphouse in the new year. after the snow and winter weather. thanks... dave
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