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Post by dazbt on Oct 24, 2009 3:54:19 GMT -5
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Post by John on Oct 24, 2009 8:02:12 GMT -5
You don't know how he got scalded in his earlier accident, do you Daz??
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Post by dazbt on Oct 24, 2009 11:00:45 GMT -5
You don't know how he got scalded in his earlier accident, do you Daz?? Absolutely no idea John, that link is the first report of either accident that I've seen, the only thing I can guess at it that it was something such as an MTV cooling system, I have seen shearer motor cooling systems exhaust steam but only in rare instances where the water flow was inadequate, or a short burst emitted when a motor has been stood down for a short period and on restarting the amount stood in the water jacket has 'super heated' .......... the other baffling bit is where did the ice come from? |
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Post by John on Oct 24, 2009 14:40:54 GMT -5
You don't know how he got scalded in his earlier accident, do you Daz?? Absolutely no idea John, that link is the first report of either accident that I've seen, the only thing I can guess at it that it was something such as an MTV cooling system, I have seen shearer motor cooling systems exhaust steam but only in rare instances where the water flow was inadequate, or a short burst emitted when a motor has been stood down for a short period and on restarting the amount stood in the water jacket has 'super heated' .......... the other baffling bit is where did the ice come from? Sounds plausible Daz, but like you say, where did the ice come from. Sounds like reporters "poetic license" to me. Mind you, UK Coal might be a very benevolent employer, and supply flameproof freezers for the blokes to keep their TV dinners in??  |
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Post by dazbt on Oct 24, 2009 15:39:52 GMT -5
Going a bit askew from the tragic topic of yet another mining death, but following on from the puzzling mention of ice being available on a coal face (the Silkstone Seam at Kellingley being at a fair depth and certainly known as a 'warm place' to be working in .................... here's a tale, a true story but one that takes a bit of believing;
in the mid 1960s I generally worked on longwall face machinery in the NCB Barnsley Area and particularly in the thinner seams of the pits to the West, the pits were relatively shallow and often the main problem was in evaluating the exact amount of clothing that would allow you to be able to physically wriggle your way through the face which often provided a mere 18inches of crawling clearance and not freeze to death, quite a bit different to the working conditions in the much deeper but thicker coal sections being worked in the East, the Doncaster pits such as Hickleton, Rossington and Frickley, pits where the standard pit gear was a singlet and a pair of pit knickers or even worse, on faces such those being worked at Frickley in the Barnsley Bed Seam where the wearing of a pair of knickers and nothing else was often considered as being overdressed, the fearfull temperatures in no way being offsett by the fact that there was enough headroom on the Longwall face to be able to almost stand upright and run atop the AFC even when fully loaded and running ............. and it was on such a face at Frickley where I first (and for the only time ever) witnessed face workers naked except for a pair of knickers, absolutely dripping with sweat, in temperatures that would almost melt candle wax actually having snowball raids with real snow ........... well actually ice balls, but none the less actual balls of real ice .......... there can't have been many places in the world where naked sweaty humans have had the opportunity or ability to snowball each other at a depth of almost 3,000 feet below the Earth's surface.
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Post by John on Oct 24, 2009 16:03:18 GMT -5
Never worked in extremely hot conditions in coal Daz, but Boulby Potash mine was extremely hot as I mentioned way back. Shorts and Tee shirt were my dress down there. I used to take a litre bottle of frozen fruit juice, as did many of the miners. The management provided us with a large insulated box to leave our snap and drinks in to keep them cool. Ambient rock temperature at the depth they work at is 108F, so with machinery and men it was very hot!! I dreaded the north side in the early years when they were developing the place, one Secoma drill rig I was called to had tripped on oil tank thermals, the paint was blistering on the side of the tank and I was requested to short the thermals out. Yeh right!! Like hell! My job wouldn't have lasted long after the fire either!!
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Post by dazbt on Oct 27, 2009 4:40:17 GMT -5
It seem that 'faulty roof supports' were involved in the Kellingley fatality, apparently the face has been stood down for the investigation but mention of changing suspect faulty valves on roof supports has been made.
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Post by dazbt on Oct 27, 2009 4:47:55 GMT -5
The ice on the face at Frickley was produced by the AB 16 shearer, air turbine driven, no electric motors allowed at that time. The ice built up around the turbine exhaust, a great place to be for the occasional 'cooling down' break.
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Post by John on Oct 27, 2009 6:56:03 GMT -5
That explains a lot. Must have been a real noisy shearer!! Air turbine lights were noisy enough!
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Post by nixter on Dec 6, 2011 5:16:35 GMT -5
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Kellingley Colliery miner tragedy: UK Coal in court
Published on Tuesday 6 December 2011 08:27
Mining company UK Coal is set to stand trial over the death of a miner at a West Yorkshire pit.
The Health and Safety Executive is prosecuting UK Coal over married father-of-two Ian Cameron’s death at Kellingley Colliery near Pontefract in October 2009.
Mr Cameron, 46, was the second of three pit workers killed at Kellingley in the past three years.
The married man from Hemsworth was carrying out maintenance work on a coalface when he became trapped between and a powered roof support and debris on the ground.
UK Coal faces three charges - failing to ensure safety of employees; failing to ensure the safety of contractors underground and failing to maintain powered roof supports in a safe condition.
Equipment manufacturer Joy Mining Machinery Limited face one charge of failing to provide information relating to powered roof supports.
An inquest held at Selby in January heard Mr Cameron was freed by colleagues and was airlifted to hospital where he died from crush injuries.
The inquest jury returned a verdict of accidental death.
Sitting at Pontefract Magistrates Court yesterday, deputy district judge Tim Spruce committed the case to Leeds Crown Court for trial.
UK Coal’s legal team were told the first hearing at the crown court will be on January 3 next year.
In September this year, 49-year-old father-of-two Gerry Gibson was killed while working underground at Kellingley.
Mr Gibson, from Sherburn-in-Elmet, North Yorkshire, was one of two workers who became trapped by falling debris.
His friend Phil Sheldon was trapped next to him, but he was pulled out with only minor injuries. Miner Don Cook, 50, died in an underground rock fall at Kellingley in September 2008.
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Post by nixter on Mar 16, 2012 10:45:37 GMT -5
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UK Coal admits charges over death of miner at Kellingley Colliery UPDATED
Published on Friday 16 March 2012 13:25
The UK’s biggest coal mining firm has admitted health and safety offences following the death of a miner at one of its pits.
UK Coal admitted charges of failing to ensure the health, safety and welfare of workers and contractors at Kellingley Colliery.
The prosecution follows the death of miner Ian Cameron, 46, in October 2009.
Mr Cameron died when equipment fell on him at the pit.
Today a judge at Leeds Crown Court accepted guilty pleas in writing from the firm.
But Judge Peter Collier QC said UK Coal will not be sentenced until a trial has been completed, relating to the same incident, but concerning a different firm.
Worcester-based equipment company Joy Mining Machinery Ltd today pleaded not guilty to a charge of failing to ensure that people, including UK Coal, were provided with all necessary information about health and safety risks in relation to using powered roof supports at Kellingley.
The trial of Joy Mining Machinery in relation to this charge is expected to take place at a date to be fixed later this year.
Mr Cameron’s death was one of three at Kellingley in the last three years.
Don Cook died in a rock fall in September 2008 and, last September, Gerry Gibson, 49, died in another underground incident.
Kellingley, on the border of North Yorkshire and West Yorkshire, is the largest remaining deep mine in Yorkshire.
Last year, UK Coal was ordered to pay £1.2 million in fines and costs after it admitted health and safety breaches in relation to the deaths of four miners in four different incidents at pits in Warwickshire and Nottinghamshire.
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Post by dazbt on Jul 18, 2012 12:23:07 GMT -5
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