inbye
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Post by inbye on Jul 11, 2008 2:31:36 GMT -5
I'm lucky to have a very good memory, but one thing I can't remember........was "Pickrose" a manufacturer, or just a model.
If the latter, who made them?
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Post by dazbt on Jul 11, 2008 5:00:03 GMT -5
I'm lucky to have a very good memory, but one thing I can't remember........was "Pickrose" a manufacturer, or just a model. If the latter, who made them? PICKROSE was or still is a manufacturer's name, I know that they were 'amalgamated' with Long Airdox at one point, not sure if the name is still being used though. Further note, I've just Googled and found this trail, 'Pickrose was owned by Long Airdox who became part of the U.S. owned Marmon Group, who in turn sold off Long Airdox to DBT (including the company that was originally old 'Anderson Boyes' along with it), DBT is owned by RAG Coal International AG, based in Essen, Germany. With the acquisition of Long-Airdox, DBT has 3,000 employees at more than 30 locations worldwide, including several in Australia So it looks like 'Pickrose' was swallowed up within all that lot. |
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Post by inbye on Jul 11, 2008 6:39:27 GMT -5
Thanks daz, I'm sure most of us will have run a pickrose haulage at some time. Spent many happy hour crouched behind one..........can even remember the trade mark, on the brass nameplate...........an upright pick with a stylised "rose" at either side.
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Post by John on Jul 11, 2008 6:44:26 GMT -5
Yep, and if it wasn't for Maggie, it would probably still all be owned by British companies, bringing into the country billions of pounds in export revenues yearly! Not to mention, thousands of skilled jobs too!
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Post by shropshirebloke on Jul 11, 2008 15:42:41 GMT -5
If it's any help when someone Googles it - it was "Pikrose", not "Pickrose" - despite the pick and roses emblem.
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Post by dazbt on Jul 12, 2008 2:44:28 GMT -5
If it's any help when someone Googles it - it was "Pikrose", not "Pickrose" - despite the pick and roses emblem. A good point SB, it certainly opens up a heap of information from Google when you drop the 'C' out of Pickrose, thanks for that. |
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Post by John on Jul 12, 2008 7:23:15 GMT -5
Thats the reason I was never able to find much info on them, I was spelling the name with the "c" in it.
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Post by John on Jul 12, 2008 7:24:29 GMT -5
If it's any help when someone Googles it - it was "Pikrose", not "Pickrose" - despite the pick and roses emblem. It was probably a family name. |
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Post by shropshirebloke on Jul 12, 2008 9:21:57 GMT -5
Me too! I found the "Pikrose" spelling when I was looking for something else and though I'd give it a try. I can remember using them back in the 70s and I always thought there was a "c".
Anyone remember Tredomen haulages? - I've never been able to find anything about them, other than that the firm used to be part of the Powell Duffryn group and then the NCB.
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Post by inbye on Jul 14, 2008 13:16:28 GMT -5
Yeah, you're all right, Pikrose it is. Found this ad in a mining book........very atmospheric. Scanners broke, so I photo'd it, hope it displays...  Advert dates from late 1940's... |
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Post by Sam from Kent on Jan 8, 2011 18:00:15 GMT -5
Pikrose, doesn't that bring back memories. I also remember doing my basic training at Betteshanger in the late 60's learning how to "lash on" to a moving haulage rope (not that we ever did "lash on" to a moving haulage rope ever again!!!) and we were told that there were two types of lash, a Kentish lash and a Lancashire lash, anyone ever heard of them?
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2011 8:32:59 GMT -5
I was taught how to clip on a "live" rope, but that was with Smallman clips.
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Post by shropshirebloke on Jan 9, 2011 9:46:16 GMT -5
A bit more on "Pikrose": a Wilipedia search came up with this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_HopkinsonThe firm was started in the early 1900s by Austin Hopkinson, who had a fascinating if controversial political career. He used part of the coat of arms of Audenshaw, near Manchester, where the factory was located, as the company logo - so it would appear that Pikrose was just an altered spelling of "Pickrose", rather than a family name. A Google search came up with this report of a fatal accident at Durham's Eppleton Colliery: from the Durham Mining Museum site. ...and I always used to think that operating the Pikrose was the safest job when you were working on supplies.... |
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Post by shropshirebloke on Jan 9, 2011 9:51:03 GMT -5
I was taught how to clip on a "live" rope, but that was with Smallman clips. The Smallman clips were all right, but I used to hate those screw clamp type that fitted into an automatic coupler and were tightened with a bar through an eye on the top. |
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2011 12:06:22 GMT -5
Been too many years to remember, but weren't the smaller Pickrose haulages just "staked" to hold them in place??? And the larger ones set on a concrete foundation and bolted down.
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Post by Sam from Kent on Jan 9, 2011 12:08:58 GMT -5
Yes I remember the smaller Pikrose haulages being "staked" with a 6' or 9' split up to the roof and if the load got fast the engine went off down the road!
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2011 12:10:23 GMT -5
I was taught how to clip on a "live" rope, but that was with Smallman clips. The Smallman clips were all right, but I used to hate those screw clamp type that fitted into an automatic coupler and were tightened with a bar through an eye on the top. I don't recall those, but my knowledge was confined to my underground training, after that, the only experience I had with supplies was checking for machine sections in the returns passbyes looking for an urgent part we needed to get a face running. |
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Post by Sam from Kent on Jan 9, 2011 12:13:36 GMT -5
I remember a clip, don't know what it was called but it was similar to the clamp on a turfer which clamped on to the haulage rope, but I onbly saw them doing my training at Betteshanger
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2011 12:20:12 GMT -5
I didn't think my memory was too bad to recall that. I think they were also chained to the rings.
I do recall one in 51's T/G, it had a brand new B&F SM2/2X GEB, the haulage rope went under the GEB which was sitting on some breeze blocks.
One fine day, well it was dark!! It was having an exam, good God!! The rope had cut a slot right through into the contactor chamber!
I don't think the boss was too happy, wasn't so much the thought of a few hundred quids worth of brand new gear worried him so much, it was a piece of electrical equipment in a return airway that was far from flameproof!!
After that, no GEB was allowed to be mounted over a haulage rope.
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Post by erichall on Mar 1, 2011 8:04:22 GMT -5
The beauty of the PIKROSE hauler was it's size and, the one thing that should always apply to mining machinery, it's simplicity. It sat on a machine-type bed made with holes through which it was easy to drill using a conventional hand-held underground boring machine. Through these holes the bed was fastened to the ground using floor bolts (upside down roofbolts) It was a simple Direct Rope Haulage, whereby the rope was wound onto the drum, from which it would be pulled to the place where it was needed to hook onto the load..
The smaller ones were very portable and used in small spaces such as close to faces, and at the end of a gate-long haulage . This took up the distance from the return wheel to the face, and meant that the gate-haulage extensions were reduced. Larger sizes of Pikrose for more static use were made, and these were often placed at the top of inclines etc.
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Post by shropshirebloke on Mar 1, 2011 17:09:31 GMT -5
They also make endless haulages - or certainly did - with just 2 or 3 turns of rope round a 'surge wheel'. I can remember the directs on inclines - it was a pain walking the rope down to the bottom.
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Post by erichall on Mar 2, 2011 6:15:11 GMT -5
Not if you kept an empty tram fastened to the haulage! You simply sat on the empty tram and the weight of tram and rider would take the rope down itself.
Don't let anyone over and above Deputy catch you though!
Yes, they certainly made endless rope haulers, but this was a market largely collared by other manufacturers such as Tredommen.
We even had one in a staple shaft at Markham which was used as a winding engine.
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Post by inbye on Mar 5, 2011 10:39:24 GMT -5
They also make endless haulages - or certainly did - with just 2 or 3 turns of rope round a 'surge wheel'. I can remember the directs on inclines - it was a pain walking the rope down to the bottom. Agreed, pain in the backside as a direct. Always a relief when the gate became long enough to change to endless. Am I right in saying they were also used as the "winches" on slushers? |
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Post by glynd on Jun 23, 2021 13:21:03 GMT -5
Pikrose where based in Audenshaw Manchester at their Delta works, they did mining winches, specialist vehicles and also battery vehicles like locomotives. I worked there as an Electrical Engineer in 1990.
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