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Post by John on Jun 28, 2007 9:28:18 GMT -5
Shirebrook.
Langwith.
Welbeck.
Cresswell.
Whitwell.
Manners.
New Langley.
Mapperly.
Coppice.
Denby.
Denby Hall.
Ormonde.
Stanley and Hillside.
Alfreton.
Swanwick.
Ireland.
Markham.
Arkwright.
Bolsover.
Oxcroft.
Westhorpe.
Grassmoor.
Williamsthorpe.
Holmwood.
Pilsley.
Parkhouse 7&2.
Moreton No5.
Glapwell.
Ramcroft.
Blackwell "A" winning.
Blackwell "B' winning.
South Normanton.
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Post by brewtime on Jul 5, 2007 14:09:08 GMT -5
some more names for your Derbyshire list High moor, renishaw park, Shirland, Wingfield manor, Brookhill,Pinxton, Cotes Park, Pleasley, Stanley, woodside 1,2&3, Britain and Ripley
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Post by John on Jul 5, 2007 14:19:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the extra names!  |
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Post by brewtime on Jul 5, 2007 14:23:06 GMT -5
Forgot the south Derbyhire pits, Netherseal 1855-1947, Reservoir 1851-1947, Bretby 1872-1962, Swadlincote 1852-1965, church gresley 1812-1967, granville 1823-1967, measham 1850-1986, cadley hill 1860-1988, rawdon 1821-1989 and Donisthorpe 1871-1990.
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Post by John on Jan 22, 2010 17:42:14 GMT -5
South Derbyshire belonged to the No7 area administered in Leicestershire.
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Post by erichall on Sept 18, 2010 6:54:25 GMT -5
John, FYI,
CRESWELL (please note spelling) though geographically in Derbyshire was actually in the N.Notts Area for Board purposes
BOLSOVER whilst being in the N.Derbyshire Area, and the site of the Area HQ was a member of the Notts NUM, as was Creswell
The other pits were Derbyshire NUM
Markham - not to be mistaken with the Markham Main of the Yorkshire Area - was a complex consisting of 3 pits, each with its own U/m, and Union Secretary, Markham 1 (Blackshale Seam) and Markham 4 (Piper and Clowne Seams) being at the North end of the complex. Markham 2 ( Deep hard Seam) with a downcast shaft (no.2) and the infamous No.3 upcast Shaft (where the cage 'ran away' causing the shaft disaster)
It became in the 1980's the 'largest colliery complex in Europe' (outside of Coal House, Doncaster)
Coal from No.4 pit was wound at No.2 until it was eventually coupled with an upgraded No.1 shaft.
The nearby Ireland Colliery was eventually was eventually coupled to No.4 and their coal was also wound from No.1 Shaft.
Alongside the Markham Collieries, owned originally by, and named after Thomas Markham, the Chesterfield engineers who helped design and build parts of the Channel Tunnel tunneling equipment, was the Markham Area Workshops. This complex could be seen from the M.1 motorway which passed alongside. It has now been levelled and forms the newly constructed M 29A junction among other things.
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Post by John on Sept 18, 2010 12:21:13 GMT -5
John, FYI, CRESWELL (please note spelling) though geographically in Derbyshire was actually in the N.Notts Area for Board purposes BOLSOVER whilst being in the N.Derbyshire Area, and the site of the Area HQ was a member of the Notts NUM, as was Creswell The other pits were Derbyshire NUM Markham - not to be mistaken with the Markham Main of the Yorkshire Area - was a complex consisting of 3 pits, each with its own U/m, and Union Secretary, Markham 1 (Blackshale Seam) and Markham 4 (Piper and Clowne Seams) being at the North end of the complex. Markham 2 ( Deep hard Seam) with a downcast shaft (no.2) and the infamous No.3 upcast Shaft (where the cage 'ran away' causing the shaft disaster) It became in the 1980's the 'largest colliery complex in Europe' (outside of Coal House, Doncaster) Coal from No.4 pit was wound at No.2 until it was eventually coupled with an upgraded No.1 shaft. The nearby Ireland Colliery was eventually was eventually coupled to No.4 and their coal was also wound from No.1 Shaft. Alongside the Markham Collieries, owned originally by, and named after Thomas Markham, the Chesterfield engineers who helped design and build parts of the Channel Tunnel tunneling equipment, was the Markham Area Workshops. This complex could be seen from the M.1 motorway which passed alongside. It has now been levelled and forms the newly constructed M 29A junction among other things. They may have been moved Eric, my info comes from 1947 organization of the NCB, here's a partial copy of a list sent to me some time back. No1 Area Was the North Derbyshire pits, area HQ was at Chesterfield. Group1 Bolsover Colliery. High Moor Colliery. Oxcroft Colliery. Ramcroft Colliery. Renishaw Park Colliery. Westhorpe Colliery. Group2 Arkwright Colliery. Ireland Colliery. Markham No1 Colliery. Markham No2 Colliery. Markham No4 Colliery. Group3. Holmewood Colliery. Morton Colliery. Parkhouse Colliery. Pleasley Colliery. Williamsthorpe Colliery. Grassmoor Colliery. Wooley Moor Colliery. Group4. Cresswell Colliery. Glapwell Colliery. Langwith Colliery. Whitwell Colliery. |
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Post by erichall on Sept 21, 2010 6:26:57 GMT -5
Don't dispute that pits may have moved Areas, John. Had it happen to me when at High Moor. This was when the North Derbyshire area was closed around 1988, and all the pits still open were moved into Notts except H.M which went into S.Yorks.
I can confirm, however, from personal experience, that on1 Aug 1978 when I started in the N.Derbyshire Area after moving from S.Barnsley Area, that from your list :
Ramcroft was closed, as were Holmewood. Morton, Parkhouse and Woolley Moor. Creswell had also been moved into N.Notts ( it was a Notts NUM pit, the probable reason)
The complete list of the N.Derbys Area at 07/78 was:
Area H.Q at Bolsover some 5-6 miles from Chesterfield and alongside
Bolsover Colliery - sunk 1891
Markham No.1 Colliery
Markham No.2 Colliery - sunk 1892
Markham No.3 Colliery
Ireland Colliery - sunk 1874
Arkwright Colliery - sunk 1938
Oxcroft Colliery - sunk 1873
Whitwell Colliery - sunk 1890
Langwith Colliery - sunk 1876
Shirebrook Colliery - sunk 1896
Warsop Main Colliery - sunk 1893
Glapwell Colliery - sunk 1882
Bramley Vale Drift (part of Glapwell)
Williamthorpe Colliery - sunk 1905
Pleasley Colliery - sunk 1873
Renishaw Park Colliery - sunk 1860
High Moor Colliery - sunk 1957
Westthorpe Colliery - sunk 1923
Of these, Oxcroft, High Moor, Arkwright & Bramley Vale were Drift Mines although Arkwright had a shaft and B.Vale was part of Glapwell.
Williamthorpe closed in 1970 but remained as an area workshop. The area had its own training centre at Grassmoor.
The Area General manager/Director at the time was a John Dunn, and a lot of the senior officials were of Scottish Origin.
I have a commemorative plate, on the rear of which is the info that the N.Derbyshire Area came into being in 1967, and mined coal from the Blackshale, Threequarter, Deep Soft, Piper, Main Bright, Clowne and Two Foot seams.
I will attempt to photograph this and post it.
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Post by John on Sept 21, 2010 7:49:51 GMT -5
There seems to have been a few major reorganizations during the late 40's through the 50's Eric, as when you look at pits in areas from 1947, some disappeared, closed, and others moved.
In the 60's there were no pits in the old East Midlands No2 area. That was puzzling at first until I unearthed older NCB organizational lists.
The old No2 was mostly North Derbyshire.
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Post by Sam from Kent on Jan 1, 2011 15:38:09 GMT -5
I remember when Kent became part of the South Midlands, which then comprised Leicestershire, Derbyshire, Warwickshire and Kent. Militant Kent were never comfortable being part of the "moderate" (I could call them other names) South Midlands, I think we would have preferred to have been part of our comrades in South Wales, after all, before we had a training center in Kent, we spent a couple of months at the Brittania Training Centre in Wales
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Post by bulwellbrian on Jun 21, 2011 13:53:55 GMT -5
I have found on my shelf "The Colliery Year Book and Coal Trades Directory for 1947". The preface of which is dated April 1947.
It shows 8 Areas
No.1 Area, Bolsover
Group 1 Oxcroft, Renushaw Park, Westthorpe
Group 2 Arkwright, Bolsover, Ireland, Markham No.1, Markham No.2,
Markham No.4
Group 3 Grassmoor, Holmewood, Ramcroft, Williamthorpe
Group 4 Bonds Main, Morton No.5, Parkhouse No.7, Pilsley
No.2 Area, Mansfield Woodhouse
no groups mentioned,
Creswell, Glapwell, Langwith, Pleasley, Sherwood, Shirebrook,
Shireoaks, Silverhill, Steetley, Teversal, Warsop, Whitwell
No.3 Area, Edwinstowe
no groups mentioned
Bilsthorpe, Blidworth, Harworth Main, Mansfield, Ollerton, Rufford, Thoresby, Welbeck.
No 4 Area, Blackwell (Temporary)
Group 1 Bentinck, New Hucknall, Sutton
Group 2 Alfreton, Shirland, Winning "A", Winning "B"
Group 3 Annesley, Newstead
Group 4 Brookhill, Cotes Park, Langton, Pinxton, South Normanton
Group 5 Kirkby, Swanwick, Wingfield Manor
No.5 Area, Shipley (Temporary)
Group 1 Coppice, Lodge, Manners, Mapperley, Stanley & Hillside, Woodside
Group 2 Denby, Denby Hall, New Langley, Ormonde, Ripley
Group 3 Brinsley, High Park, Moorgreen, Selston, Watnall
Group 4 Cossall, New Selston, Oakwood Grange, Pye Hill
No.6 Area, Bestwood
Group 1 Bestwood, Gedling, Linby
Group 2 Babbington, Cinderhill, Clifton, Hucknall Nos 1 & 2, Radford, Wollaton
No. 7 Area, Moira
no groups given
Bretby, Cadley Hill, Church Gresley, Donisthorpe, Granville, Measham, Nadins, Netherseal, Rawdon, Reservoir, Swadlincote
No 8 Area, Cole Orton
North New Lount, Snibston, South Leicester, Whitwick
South Bagworth, Desford, Ellistown, Merrylees, Nailstone
No.2 Area was soon split up and No.8 Area merged with No.7 Area.
I am not sure exactly when.
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Post by John on Jun 21, 2011 17:56:16 GMT -5
The East Midlands Division was certainly a large one. Always mystified me why there was no No2 Area in the 60's until I had the NCB's organizational charts sent to me as of Vesting day onwards.
Do you recall the Nottm Evening Post Nottinghamshire weekly saleable output figures posted in Friday Evening edition???
It used to list the individual collieries in Notts.
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Post by bulwellbrian on Jun 26, 2011 8:40:56 GMT -5
The Nottingham Evening Post is a distant memory now, I moves south in 1974. I do remember the outputs of the local Nottingham pits being shown but I was more interested in the cricket scores in those days!
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Post by John on Jun 26, 2011 9:08:58 GMT -5
Was always interesting to see how we'd done against the other pits though. Clifton was pretty consistent with 14,000 to 15,000 a week saleable.
Ironic, nowadays that's a shifts output!! The last pit I worked at in 1989 was just over 9000 tonnes a day! They now produce almost twice that a day.
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Post by bulwellbrian on Jun 26, 2011 11:49:16 GMT -5
No 6 Area, East Midlands Division was not typical of most of the NCB, South Wales had nothing of the size of Bestwood, Calverton, Gedling & Linby.
What they did have was higher rank coals that produced better prices.
Likewise Durham.
When you work at National HQ you get to know a bit about a lot rather than a lot about a little.
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Post by kevsmith on Feb 24, 2012 11:50:41 GMT -5
Hello everybody. I have just joined and wondered if anyone can help identify this one? I am scanning in all of my colour transparencies along with some of my dads but like a lot of people keep finding unidentified locations. Unlike negatives however, where you can look at adjacent frames and have a good go at working out where somewhere is, slides don't work like that as they are individually mounted. I have had this picture of my dads on the railway forums without success and wonder if any of you can help.  cheers KEV |
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Post by John on Feb 24, 2012 12:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by garryo on Feb 25, 2012 8:34:12 GMT -5
Pits of Derbyshire winders
As far as I am aware most of the winders in the area were drum winders with the exception of Warsop, Shirebrook and possiby Ireland.
Can anybody correct me or add to the following;-
Warsop two tower mounted winders, coal winding four rope DC ward -leonard, man shaft two rope YES two rope tower mounted similar drive as coal shaft.
Shirebrook coal winding or downcast two rope ground mounted AC drive winder. Headgear sheave wheels housed in rather ornate concrete building. Upcast drum winder.
Ireland shaft headframe and sheave arrangement looks like a ground mounted friction winder BUT may not have been. Could have been a winder upgrade where the new winder house was built 90 degrees from original and rope arrangement such as to keep same cage or skip arrangement in shaft .
Any comments people including John?
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Post by John on Feb 25, 2012 9:11:20 GMT -5
Pits of Derbyshire winders As far as I am aware most of the winders in the area were drum winders with the exception of Warsop, Shirebrook and possiby Ireland. Can anybody correct me or add to the following;- Warsop two tower mounted winders, coal winding four rope DC ward -leonard, man shaft two rope YES two rope tower mounted similar drive as coal shaft. Shirebrook coal winding or downcast two rope ground mounted AC drive winder. Headgear sheave wheels housed in rather ornate concrete building. Upcast drum winder. Ireland shaft headframe and sheave arrangement looks like a ground mounted friction winder BUT may not have been. Could have been a winder upgrade where the new winder house was built 90 degrees from original and rope arrangement such as to keep same cage or skip arrangement in shaft . Any comments people including John? |
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Post by spanker on Feb 27, 2012 15:24:03 GMT -5
Could'nt comment on the winder type at Ireland, i can remember it being very well kept and all brass shiney parts shone like the sun,as did most of the winder houses they were very well kept and they were very proud of their houses.
The shaft had no skips old fashioned tubbing up until the belts were reversed and sent coal out via Markham in the late 70's
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Post by paj on May 29, 2012 13:54:39 GMT -5
I visited the engine house at Ireland around the early 80's. The winding engine was a small (relatively) drum winder (not a ground mounted friction winder) and unusually narrow and had previously been employed as the sinking engine at, if I recall correctly, Bevercotes. Obviously this narrow footprint would suit under /over pullies. In fact the narrow drum would probably have trouble providing enough fleet for side by side configuration. However I don't know if this engine was selected to suit the existing layout or was it the other way round, since in my memory Ireland only ever had under/over pullies. I think that Bevercotes was sunk around 1950 time ----- so was the headgear at Ireland replaced or modified at around this time?
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Post by tygwyn on Feb 20, 2014 15:32:01 GMT -5
Eckington Smallmine,
Anyone heard if the rumour of it gone into administration is correct?it only started back last year.
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Post by kilburn on Mar 23, 2014 11:54:05 GMT -5
Picture of winding engines? here is one from my personal collection of No 1 pit (LH side of engine - rear of drivers position) at Church Gresley Colliery, built in 1898 by Thornewill & Warham of Burton-upon-Trent. I took this circa 1967 about a year before final closure. My Avatar is of the same engine but taken from behind the signal indicator board facing the drivers position.
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Post by shropshireminer on May 1, 2014 9:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by colly0410 on May 2, 2014 5:29:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the Chesterfield link. I go up there quite a lot as my Wife does accounts for some shops in Old Brampton & I fetch & carry for her. If the weathers nice I take a picnic & go & park up in the lovely countryside. I never realised there were so many pits round there, just shows how mining areas can be restored to their natural beauty. I'm seriously thinking of moving up there when I retire, the lovely countryside & the locals are very friendly. Oh I'm daydreaming again, lol..  |
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Post by John on Dec 31, 2014 15:17:56 GMT -5
Bit of information.
Section of the New Winning shaft at Denby Colliery.
Soft Coal 3ft 7" @ 44ft 5"
Hard Coal 5ft 0" @ 145ft 7.5"
Piper 6ft 4.25" @ 196ft 1"
Hospital 2ft 2" @ 230ft 3.75"
Furnace 4ft 2" @ 316ft 6.75"
Blackshale or Silkstone 2ft 9.5" @ 454ft 9.75"
Coal 2ft 4" @ 543ft 8.75"
Coal 2ft 7" @ 552ft 0.75"
Kilburn 5ft 1" @ 872ft 6.5"
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Post by John on Dec 31, 2014 15:21:28 GMT -5
Swanwick Colliery.
Coomb 2ft 10" @195ft 0"
Top Hard 7ft 4" @ 253ft 4"
Dunsil 3ft 4" @ 295ft 11"
Ell 1ft 1" @ 780ft 0"
Main Soft 4ft 0"
Main Hard 4ft 7" @ 966ft 4"
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Post by smshogun on Sept 14, 2017 20:36:34 GMT -5
You could also have Cossall Drift, New Oakwell, West Hallam 1, 2, and 3.
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Post by quimbyj1745 on Aug 19, 2018 2:11:23 GMT -5
After Cadley hill had closed in 1988 We were clearing some of the unused offices and in the managers clerks desk we found an old notebook that contained a report by the manager of Granville colliery. It appears that the pit known as the shoddy pit on Midland road in Swadlincote was offered to the Granville colliery for sale. The pit had been idle for a few years so the manager was sent to compile a report to the board. He noted in great detail the surface installations before going underground where he noted the seams worked, their thickness and systems of work for each seam. His conclusions stated that " If this colliery was offered as a gift he could not find it in his conscience to recommend acceptance. No wonder it was known as the shoddy pit.
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Post by smshogun on Sept 9, 2018 21:27:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the Chesterfield link. I go up there quite a lot as my Wife does accounts for some shops in Old Brampton & I fetch & carry for her. If the weathers nice I take a picnic & go & park up in the lovely countryside. I never realised there were so many pits round there, just shows how mining areas can be restored to their natural beauty. I'm seriously thinking of moving up there when I retire, the lovely countryside & the locals are very friendly. Oh I'm daydreaming again, lol..
You cannot beat nature Colly, it will take everything back and regenerate itself if left or regenerate itself with the help of man and allow itself to be sculpted into whatever man wants.
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