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Post by John on Jan 5, 2014 7:58:41 GMT -5
No6 West Midlands Division.
Address.....Wheeleys Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham.
Chairman
Deputy Chairman: The Rt Hon Sir Ben Smith KBE.
Labour Director: GJS Chalmers.
Finance Director: GH Jones OBE.
Marketing Director: WC Edwards.
Production Director: HJ Crofts M.Inst. CE
1. North Staffordshire Area.
Victoria....Whitfield.....Norton...Sneyd....Deep Pit, (Hanley)....Wolstanton....Parkhouse....Glasshouse...Holditch....Silverdale...Madeley...Bignall...Stafford No1....Stafford No2.....Florence....Fenton, (Glebe)....Berryhill.....Mossfield....Parkhall.....Foxfield.
2. Cannock Chase Area.
Cannock Wood....Wimblebury....Brereton...Cannock Chase No3....Cannock Chase No8....Cannock Chase No9...West Cannock No1....West Cannock No2...West Cannock No3...West Cannock No5...Littleton...East Cannock....Mid Cannock....Grove....Wyrley No3....Cannock & Leacroft....Coppice....Cannock Old Coppice...Hilton Main.....Holly Bank....Nook & Wyrley.....Walsall Wood....Conduit.
3. South Staffordshire and Shropshire Area.
Hamstead....Sandwell Park......Baggeridge....Mobberley & Perry.....Shut End....Granville....Grange....Madeley Wood....Highley Mining Company...Wrekin.
4. Warwickshire Area.
Pooley Hall.....Alvecote.......Amington....Birch Coppice...Baddesley....Kingsbury....Arley....Haunchwood....Ansley Hall....Coventry....Newdigate....Griff,(Clara)....Exhall...Griff No4....Binley.
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Post by shropshirebloke on Jan 5, 2014 10:08:44 GMT -5
Thanks for that John!
3. South Staffordshire and Shropshire Area... "Grabville" should be "Granville"
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Post by John on Jan 5, 2014 10:47:29 GMT -5
Thanks for that John! 3. South Staffordshire and Shropshire Area... "Grabville" should be "Granville" |
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Post by greenhead156 on May 4, 2016 13:56:48 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me in my quest to identify the location of the photo below:  The caption of the photo says it was made in 1961 on the West Midlands Division of the NCB. One special detail is that bridge. Is it a footbridge? Or a conveyor? Either way, I haven't seen anything like it. On the right, where it apparently crosses a lower-level track, it seems to end in a building (which throws a shadow). The other special detail is the loco with the special narrow chimney ("Giesl ejector"). I identified 23 NCB-owned locos of the pictured type (0-6-0ST "Austerity") and am pretty sure that my list is complete. Most of these had prominent nameplates on the saddle tank sides, and almost all had plates covering the gap in front of the chimney (including two at Granville Colliery). Of the three that remain, two were in Scotland (active at various times at Michael, Wellesley and Comrie Collieries), and one (the first NCB loco to get a Giesl in 1959) at Baddesley Colliery - in the West Midlands Division. Would be perfect, except the photos I found show wagons of a wholly different type, and I can't find even a likely location for that bridge nearby. |
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Post by ken on May 4, 2016 20:47:51 GMT -5
I don't think it is a bridge or conveyor. There is no supporting structure to be seen I seems to me to be an embankment covered in snow with a fence along it Through the fence can be seen the tops of houses.
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Post by greenhead156 on May 5, 2016 0:01:44 GMT -5
I don't think it is a bridge or conveyor. There is no supporting structure to be seen I seems to me to be an embankment covered in snow with a fence along it Through the fence can be seen the tops of houses. Hm? I can see two supports: the top of one just barely above the first wagon, the other quite prominently to the right of the track to the right of the train. If you look at the signals in the background near the right edge, you can see that the bridge is in front of them. The bridge has some bright side surface, you can see the shadow of the building outside the picture to the right on it. I'm not sure which detail you see as houses behind the bridge; but there is one building at extreme left. |
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Post by tygwyn on May 5, 2016 4:00:59 GMT -5
If its a footbridge,its a flimsy looking structure,the support to the right is in the wrong place to carry weight.
Given 1961,i`d go for snow also,it look`s white on the ground to the left of the train.
Can you blow the photo up to give more detail to the right hand side?
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Post by John on May 5, 2016 7:02:24 GMT -5
Roofline of a large building???
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Post by dazbt on May 5, 2016 8:04:58 GMT -5
Roofline of a large building??? Could be, with the uprights being cell phone antenna  or, maybe a pipe line ? The angle suggests a belt conveyor to me, for some reason, I think a foot bridge would perhaps have been set at a more acute angle. |
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Post by John on May 5, 2016 8:30:09 GMT -5
Roofline of a large building??? Could be, with the uprights being cell phone antenna or, maybe a pipe line ? The angle suggests a belt conveyor to me, for some reason, I think a foot bridge would perhaps have been set at a more acute angle. |
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Post by greenhead156 on May 5, 2016 13:43:35 GMT -5
If its a footbridge,its a flimsy looking structure,the support to the right is in the wrong place to carry weight. Given 1961,i`d go for snow also,it look`s white on the ground to the left of the train. Can you blow the photo up to give more detail to the right hand side? Unfortunately, this is as good as it gets, I can't get more detail by blowing it up. However, I made a version where I point out all the details I noticed:  The bridge is really perplexing. If it is a conveyor belt, then where to? It ends behind the loco, where there is no additional track, nor a building close by. The knick above the track at centre (with the resulting reduction of loading gauge) is also strange, especially with the lack of a smoke mark like above the two other tracks. I saw photos of makeshift footbridges for miners in collieries, but nothing quite like this one. I also wonder whether the photo was printed mirrored (flipped left-right). The apparent right-driving would support that, except the other high-level track seems out of use. |
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Post by greenhead156 on May 5, 2016 13:56:26 GMT -5
Could be, with the uprights being cell phone antenna or, maybe a pipe line ? The angle suggests a belt conveyor to me, for some reason, I think a foot bridge would perhaps have been set at a more acute angle. The bottom level of the bridge is about 5-6 m above track level. Those uprights are at most 1.5 m high. If it's fencing on a footbridge, I don't think it's particularly high. You can clearly see a narrow railing along the top of the uprights and some white surface (planking?) along the middle third of the uprights where those are in front of the triple signal to the extreme right (the building to the right of the picture throws its shadow on the white surface). |
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Post by ken on May 5, 2016 15:21:50 GMT -5
If that is a footbridge it has been built in a strange manner. There is only one line of fencing. A footbridge would have a fence on both sides would it not!!! Why would a footbridge have white sides on it? The objects to be seen through the fence line to me appear to be the tops of a row of two story houses running away in the distance. Immediately above the fence line is the top story windows, then roofs covered in snow, then the chimneys.
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Post by tygwyn on May 5, 2016 16:27:48 GMT -5
Roofline of a large building??? Could be, with the uprights being cell phone antenna or, maybe a pipe line ? The angle suggests a belt conveyor to me, for some reason, I think a foot bridge would perhaps have been set at a more acute angle. Would an overhead belt conveyor be uncovered? The only one i have seen was at Aberpergwm where it crossed the road,and that was enclosed in tin sheeting. |
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Post by John on May 5, 2016 16:43:23 GMT -5
What about it carrying a pipeline/s, gas water etc??? I'd too suspect if it was a conveyor bridge it would be covered.
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Post by greenhead156 on May 21, 2016 9:45:18 GMT -5
I have finally identified the location of the photo, and the bridge does appear to be for a conveyor of sorts, after all. The photo was made just north-west of Whitburn Colliery (so not the West Midlands but NCB Northern Division, North-East Durham Area), near what was Marsden Village, looking south-east. For Whitburn Colliery itself, see this aerial photo (seen from the south). At top left, you can barely see a signal box and sidings, two of which continued for several hundred metres where the line ran between Whitburn Quarry and the one-time village of Marsden (see aerial image from the south-east, as well as ground-level photos looking south-east and north-west). On the last photo, you can also see the signal gantry with three signals on the left edge of my photo, only seen from the opposite direction. The line passed coal drops and lime kilns ( both still visible), and in front of those, the westernmost siding ran in a trench (also see this aerial photo of the northern half of the sidings, with the end of the trench section at bottom). The mystery bridge was in front of the lime kilns. I found a 1968 photo from another angle:  The bridge ended in a loader that was almost completely covered by the loco on my photo (though now I recognise that both the edge of its bottom and its top left corner are barely visible). |
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or, maybe a pipe line ? The angle suggests a belt conveyor to me, for some reason, I think a foot bridge would perhaps have been set at a more acute angle.