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Post by John on Dec 2, 2012 8:41:43 GMT -5
"1 Visit 2.04% early nottingham coal pits"
Those would be found to the north west of the city, Strelley, Wollaton, about a mile west of the Wollaton Park, Bramcote Moor area too. There are several seams that outcrop near the Derbyshire border and the old Stanton and Stavely ironworks was built over an outcropping seam.
Again, deep hard seam outcrops around Eastwood. There are many old bell pits that have been found in the areas I mentioned, some seams just a few feet below the surface, they were worked in the 15th and 16th centuries.
The original Wollaton Colliery, not to be confused with the one that the NCB worked, was merely a collection of bell pits worked to the west of Wollaton Park, then the owner went deeper in the 18th century and worked a bord and pillar colliery, also called Wollaton Colliery which lies just west of the last NCB Wollaton Colliery workings.
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2012 8:44:47 GMT -5
"2 Visits 4.08% bjd 1060 continuous miner"
I think you're getting mixed up with the Jefferies 1060 Heliminer.
I'm pretty certain BJD was just a UK division of Jefferies that only made longwall face machinery out of their Wakefield works.
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2012 8:49:53 GMT -5
"2 Visits 4.08% clifton collerie mine shafts nottm"
Pretty sure I've covered this one, Clifton Colliery had two shafts and was sighted a few yards from the River Trent almost opposite Wilford Church. There is now a factory built over the shafts, Pork Farms, who make pork pies and pork products in the industrial estate built on the colliery grounds.
It was sunk in the late 1800's and closed in 1968, worked the Deep Soft, Deep Hard, Piper and Tupton seams. Last workings were to the south under Tollerton.
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Post by dazbt on Dec 2, 2012 11:44:30 GMT -5
"2 Visits 4.08% bjd 1060 continuous miner" I think you're getting mixed up with the Jefferies 1060 Heliminer.
I'm pretty certain BJD was just a UK division of Jefferies that only made longwall face machinery out of their Wakefield works.BJD did make machinery other than col face equipment, crushers, breakers, levellers etc but I don't know if they actually produced the complete Heliminer under licence, but it was definitely Known as the BJD Jeffries Heliminer (which does appear to have one too many Jeffries in its title)
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2012 11:56:27 GMT -5
"2 Visits 4.08% bjd 1060 continuous miner" I think you're getting mixed up with the Jefferies 1060 Heliminer.
I'm pretty certain BJD was just a UK division of Jefferies that only made longwall face machinery out of their Wakefield works.BJD did make machinery other than col face equipment, crushers, breakers, levellers etc but I don't know if they actually produced the complete Heliminer under licence, but it was definitely Known as the BJD Jeffries Heliminer (which does appear to have one too many Jeffries in its title)
I knew about the other stuff BJD made Daz, seen gearboxes with the diamond symbol with BJD in the middle of it. But I'm pretty certain cutting machinery made at Wakefield was just longwall machines, Trepan Shearers, shearers and cutters..
The heliminer was made by the parent company, Jeffrey Dresser who had a huge works in France at Marseille, I believe it was that city. From what I was told by fitters who went on the Heliminer course, it was like an assembly line at an auto works, each machine was custom made for the individual client.
Wasn't Diamond the original name of BJD?? And Jeffery, the American company buy into Diamonds undercutting machinery company. Something tells me they added the British to distinguish it from American Jeffery in the early to mid 1900's.
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -5
Are BJD still in business??? If so what do they make. The last shearer I recall was the" Ace" series.
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Post by dazbt on Dec 2, 2012 12:56:59 GMT -5
Are BJD still in business??? If so what do they make. The last shearer I recall was the" Ace" series. Not sure J, but I believe that BJD / Dresser was taken over sometime in the mid 1990s and split, one company continued as 'BJD 100' a management buyout I think and they continued to carry on what remained of the mining business, not sure where they are now. I'll try asking around.
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Post by dazbt on Dec 2, 2012 15:11:09 GMT -5
Re BJD, I'VE just had a search around the Internet and I'm beginning to wish I hadn't. I thought that Anderson Strathclyde's initial demise and its pass the parcel history after that was complicated, but it seems that in 1996, or thereabouts, BJD was 'taken over' and split into several factions, BJD Indresco manufacturing longwall equpment, BJD100 Ltd manufacturing general minining and quarrying equpment and a third company BJD Processing Ltd, all based on the original BJD's second factory HQ on Thornes Road Wakefield. The BJD100 Ltd registered 15/10/1996 and shown as providing its last known returns 30/09/1999. I can't really confirm any of that but it does look as though BJD was pretty well broken up in 1996 and may well have been lost on the winds of time, like so many other great British Mining Machine Manufactures.
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2012 16:10:30 GMT -5
So many icons of our youth have gone Daz, Wallacetown Engineering are now owned by Allen West Starters, an American company, Baldwin Francis is now a public company who for so many years was a private family owned concern, no doubt they needed capital for R&D after the demise of the NCB/BC?? Victor are still around as are Reyrolle and Brush...
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Post by dazbt on Dec 3, 2012 3:15:37 GMT -5
So many icons of our youth have gone Daz, Wallacetown Engineering are now owned by Allen West Starters, an American company, Baldwin Francis is now a public company who for so many years was a private family owned concern, no doubt they needed capital for R&D after the demise of the NCB/BC?? Victor are still around as are Reyrolle and Brush... Very true J, so many things long gone now, as Mr Capstick relates, we no longer have Anderson Boyes, rickets, clogs, Dudleys and Acmes, Hitler, diptheria or ringworm;
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2012 8:09:54 GMT -5
So many icons of our youth have gone Daz, Wallacetown Engineering are now owned by Allen West Starters, an American company, Baldwin Francis is now a public company who for so many years was a private family owned concern, no doubt they needed capital for R&D after the demise of the NCB/BC?? Victor are still around as are Reyrolle and Brush... Very true J, so many things long gone now, as Mr Capstick relates, we no longer have Anderson Boyes, rickets, clogs, Dudleys and Acmes, Hitler, diptheria or ringworm; And I'm told the Dandy will be no more....
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Post by shropshirebloke on Dec 3, 2012 16:28:43 GMT -5
Very true J, so many things long gone now, as Mr Capstick relates, we no longer have Anderson Boyes, rickets, clogs, Dudleys and Acmes, Hitler, diptheria or ringworm; Laughed my a*se off watching that - but a lot of the photos were taken at Madeley Wood Colliery in Shropshire - I know because I scanned them from the original prints and put them on this website: www.madeleylocalhistory.orgThe one of the rescue brigade was the Kemberton Colliery (the pit that together with Halesfield was known in NCB days as Madeley Wood) Mines Rescue Brigade 'C' Team, taken in 1914. The pictures were lent to me by Jack Smart , later Training Officer at the last Shropshire pit, Granville. You can find Jack's memories of the pit and Madeley elsewhere on the site, together with a number of underground scenes from Madeley Wood in the 1950s.
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Post by dazbt on Dec 4, 2012 5:48:02 GMT -5
BJD did make machinery other than col face equipment, crushers, breakers, levellers etc but I don't know if they actually produced the complete Heliminer under licence, but it was definitely Known as the BJD Jeffries Heliminer (which does appear to have one too many Jeffries in its title)
I knew about the other stuff BJD made Daz, seen gearboxes with the diamond symbol with BJD in the middle of it. But I'm pretty certain cutting machinery made at Wakefield was just longwall machines, Trepan Shearers, shearers and cutters.. The heliminer was made by the parent company, Jeffrey Dresser who had a huge works in France at Marseille, I believe it was that city. From what I was told by fitters who went on the Heliminer course, it was like an assembly line at an auto works, each machine was custom made for the individual client.
Wasn't Diamond the original name of BJD?? And Jeffery, the American company buy into Diamonds undercutting machinery company. Something tells me they added the British to distinguish it from American Jeffery in the early to mid 1900's.BJD was originally the “Diamond Coal-Cutter Co., Ltd” BJD made quite a list of various mining machines both at their Stennard Works and later at Thornes Road sites in Wakefield and possibly other sites as well. The Stennard Works built on the banks of the Calder in Wakefield was the factory that I remember visiting on a couple of occasions, they did mainly produce coal face cutting machines there but plenty of other types of engineering equipment as well ………………. I don’t suppose this will result in anyone getting the sack, but in the early 1960s a mate of mine that worked there was part responsible for ruining a six foot long camshaft being turned on night shift (there aren’t any Longwall coal cutters that I can think of that used a six foot camshaft). The night shift combined and found another forging and managed to get it onto the lathe and machined up, properly, to a similar stage ……….. the ruined one was ceremoniously dumped into the River Calder and at times of ‘low water’ could still be seen years after. The second forging was declared ‘lost in transit’. link to BJD patents; patent.ipexl.com/assignee/British_Jeffrey_Diamond_1.html9. Improvements in or relating to belt conveyors.British Jeffrey DiamondJuly 1936: GB450774 (1 worldwide citation) 450,774. Endless - belt conveyers. BRITISH JEFFREY - DIAMOND, Ltd., Stennard Works, Wakefield, and TINSLEY, H., Cap Frehel, Castle Hill, Sandal, both in Yorkshire. Feb. 15, 1935, No. 4904. [Class 78 (i)] The driving-belt 12 is pressed against the driving roller 13 by the lower part of a roller 10, .
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Post by dazbt on Dec 4, 2012 8:34:48 GMT -5
Very true J, so many things long gone now, as Mr Capstick relates, we no longer have Anderson Boyes, rickets, clogs, Dudleys and Acmes, Hitler, diptheria or ringworm; And I'm told the Dandy will be no more.... Don't believe everything you read J, you will still be able to get your 'Dandy Fix' on the internet ............. panic not !! ;D ;D
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 8:43:09 GMT -5
And I'm told the Dandy will be no more.... Don't believe everything you read J, you will still be able to get your 'Dandy Fix' on the internet ............. panic not !! ;D ;D Phewww, I'd miss old DD and his cowpies... ;D
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 8:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 8:49:03 GMT -5
"1 Visit 1.96% dowty rotary selector"
Might be my memory, which at 65, is getting a bit dim these days, but I don't recall Dowty having rotary selectors, now Gullick had rotary selectors.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 8:52:37 GMT -5
"3 Visits 5.88% coal mines subsidence wollaton"
I'll bet there is a lot too!! ;D New housing estates built over their old workings. Last workings of Wollaton were under the University in a modified mechanised shortwall system, leaving blocks of coal between panels to reduce subsidence to the Uni. Wollaton Colliery closed in the mid 1960's.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 8:55:06 GMT -5
"1 Visit 1.96% bulwell colliery"
It was near Bulwell Hall, don't know a lot about this colliery though. I think it was one of the Duke of Newcastle's collieries.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2012 9:01:56 GMT -5
"1 Visit 1.96% how to make a coal mine walking stick"
Been many years since I have seen a Deputy's yard stick, but they were 36 inches long, had a brass ferrule on the bottom, and had brass flush tacks every six inches measuring from the bottom. The wood was hard wood probably Beech. The stick was used for "testing" the roof and measuring the distance between face props to make sure the miners were obeying the support rules. Not may officials carried a Deputy's yard stick in the 60's in the pits I worked in, most used a tape, more convenient.
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Post by Wheldale on Dec 4, 2012 10:13:10 GMT -5
Dont forget yard sticks were used to beat idle colliers with aswell!!
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Post by bulwellbrian on Dec 4, 2012 11:03:47 GMT -5
Bulwell Colliery was at the top of Quarry Road, later called commercial road. It closed about 1946, its last owner was BA Collieries Ltd, who also owned Babbington, Bestwood (inc Calverton shaft) and Gedling collieries.
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Post by Ragger on Dec 4, 2012 12:09:00 GMT -5
"1 Visit 1.96% how to make a coal mine walking stick" Been many years since I have seen a Deputy's yard stick, but they were 36 inches long, had a brass ferrule on the bottom, and had brass flush tacks every six inches measuring from the bottom. The wood was hard wood probably Beech. The stick was used for "testing" the roof and measuring the distance between face props to make sure the miners were obeying the support rules. Not may officials carried a Deputy's yard stick in the 60's in the pits I worked in, most used a tape, more convenient.The deputies sick was also used when testing for methane in out of reach places John. An aspirator bulb a length of string and a deputies stick enabled a deputy to take a sample from the roof of a high roadway. For the benefit of our none mining members the deputy deflated the aspirator bulb by squeezing all the air out it. He fixed it to the bottom of the stick using a special valve. A length of string was tied to the aspirator bulb release valve. The deputy lifted his stick up to the roof and pulled on the string to fill the bulb. He could later insert the sample into his safety lamp by squeezing the bulb. Image of the stick and bulb and lamp can be seen near the bottom of this page. www.dmm-pitwork.org.uk/html/memorab.htm
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Post by colly0410 on Dec 4, 2012 14:41:51 GMT -5
Bulwell Colliery was at the top of Quarry Road, later called commercial road. It closed about 1946, its last owner was BA Collieries Ltd, who also owned Babbington, Bestwood (inc Calverton shaft) and Gedling collieries. Was Bulwell Colliery known as Shonky Pit?
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Post by bulwellbrian on Dec 5, 2012 6:23:00 GMT -5
Was Bulwell Colliery known as Shonky Pit? [/quote]
I don't know for certain but I think so, I think Shonky meant rough, or primitive.
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Post by John on Dec 5, 2012 6:53:14 GMT -5
As Eric says, and I think I can confirm it was, problem is I have found during research "Shonkey" was a pretty well used name for several pits. But Bulwell had a "make shift" steam winding engine made from an old railway locomotive turned upside down! Hence it's "Shonkey pit" nickname.
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Post by colly0410 on Dec 5, 2012 8:32:45 GMT -5
Thanks for info Gents. My Wife's Grandfather worked down Shonky pit until it closed, he then moved to Bestwood until that closed, then to Babington, & then became an instructor at Hucknall training centre in the early 60's until retirement.
I first heard the word shonky used to describe girls who were not very pretty when I moved to Bestwood Village e.g. "she's a bit shonky" or "she's a bit of a shonk". Mind you there were some very pretty girls in Bestwood, but I usually ended up dating a shonk...
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Post by John on Dec 5, 2012 9:36:17 GMT -5
Thanks for info Gents. My Wife's Grandfather worked down Shonky pit until it closed, he then moved to Bestwood until that closed, then to Babington, & then became an instructor at Hucknall training centre in the early 60's until retirement. I first heard the word shonky used to describe girls who were not very pretty when I moved to Bestwood Village e.g. "she's a bit shonky" or "she's a bit of a shonk". Mind you there were some very pretty girls in Bestwood, but I usually ended up dating a shonk... I'll bet that old gentleman imparted some of his knowledge on to me, I started with the NCB in early 1964, did my first year of basic training at Hucknall Training Centre, week about with tech school on Portland Road in Hucknall.My surface training, underground training, first aid etc was all done at Hucknall. Then Advanced Apprentice Training was done there, finishing with final practical test at Bentinck as Hucknall was closed down. I took that in 1968 after I'd been transferred to Cotgrave after Clifton was closed.
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Post by colly0410 on Dec 5, 2012 11:23:03 GMT -5
Sue's Grandfather retired on 7th may 1964, so your paths probably crossed, his name was George Potter & he lived in Bulwell, he passed on in 1979...
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Post by John on Dec 5, 2012 18:39:33 GMT -5
Sue's Grandfather retired on 7th may 1964, so your paths probably crossed, his name was George Potter & he lived in Bulwell, he passed on in 1979... You don't know what he instructed trainees in do you??? I remember a Sam, can't for the life of me recall his last name, he took us for underground training on haulages and pony haulage, there were a couple of others, one took us to the underground classroom and from there to a workshop being constructed where we spent the shift in roof support. As an engineering apprentice, most of my time was with the electrical instructors, and during the first year, we spent time with fitting instructors too.
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