Clive
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Post by Clive on Jan 2, 2014 16:01:43 GMT -5
found link to this on the Welsh board. some good stuff. Stobswood underground in 1947 and a lottle pit up near Bellingham. Does anybody recognise this place. seems to have a big plant attached to it. Yhe vent shaft looks familiar, Murton? or Hawthorn? www.britishpathe.com/video/mining/query/coal+mine
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Post by John on Jan 2, 2014 16:42:02 GMT -5
Can't help you Clive, but a lot of construction going on with the look of all the scaffolding.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 2, 2014 17:04:43 GMT -5
I could be wrong but looks like Fishburn colliery and it's coke works.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 2, 2014 18:43:28 GMT -5
No, its not Fishburn but looks to have a coke works with it, cant be many coke works around in the 70's?
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Post by John on Jan 3, 2014 6:39:20 GMT -5
No, its not Fishburn but looks to have a coke works with it, cant be many coke works around in the 70's? On first viewing, looked like scaffold, looking again, it does look like coke ovens.
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Post by dazbt on Jan 3, 2014 16:12:50 GMT -5
I can't say that I recognise the pit but taking note of the extensive 'coke works' and the fact that mid-film it shows a building with the letters "MM" set in a masonry roundel I wonder if it might be Manvers Main at Wath on Dearne South Yorkshire.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 3, 2014 16:22:04 GMT -5
Manvers main had 4 shafts so I don't think it's Manvers, but I didn't watch the whole clip so there might have been more shafts. I did notice an old brick cooling tower in the clip, maybe from a very early power station. In Durham the was a Monkton coke works, not sure if there was a Monkton colliery?
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Post by dazbt on Jan 3, 2014 17:13:02 GMT -5
Manvers main had 4 shafts so I don't think it's Manvers, but I didn't watch the whole clip so there might have been more shafts. I did notice an old brick cooling tower in the clip, maybe from a very early power station. In Durham the was a Monkton coke works, not sure if there was a Monkton colliery? Manvers did have 4 shafts wheldale, but, they were split well apart, at least 600yards and a main road between the 1&2 shafts and 3&4 shafts, two were adjacent to the cokeworks the other two well away.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 3, 2014 18:05:15 GMT -5
I've googled Manvers Main and the head gears on all four shafts are different. The MM you mentioned daz have got me thinking! I'll see if Google can help!
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Post by dazbt on Jan 4, 2014 3:02:42 GMT -5
Manvers main had 4 shafts so I don't think it's Manvers, but I didn't watch the whole clip so there might have been more shafts. I did notice an old brick cooling tower in the clip, maybe from a very early power station. In Durham the was a Monkton coke works, not sure if there was a Monkton colliery? There was a Monkton Colliery, closed pre 1947.
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2014 9:10:03 GMT -5
Here's some Yorkshire colliery names with MM. Maltby Main Markham Main. Manvers Main. Mitchall's Main. That's the only MM's I could find in the colliery organization of the NCB's 1947 lists.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 5, 2014 8:34:48 GMT -5
I posted the clip on the Aditnow forum. The answer that came back was Markham Main. The pit had a steam winder installed in 1920 which ties in with the date stone that Daz pointed out.
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Post by dazbt on Jan 5, 2014 9:17:51 GMT -5
I posted the clip on the Aditnow forum. The answer that came back was Markham Main. The pit had a steam winder installed in 1920 which ties in with the date stone that Daz pointed out. I'm almost 100% sure it isn't Markham Main, totally different headgear altogether, it certainly isn't Mitchells either that was closed early 1960s.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 5, 2014 9:47:09 GMT -5
Here's a link to a picture, to be honest I ruled out Markham Main but then didn't realise that the headgear must have been renewed. See what you think from the photo. www.geograph.org.uk/photo/659402
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Post by cortonwood on Jan 6, 2014 9:42:21 GMT -5
definitely not markham main at armthorpe,also definitely not manvers,maltby,i've worked at two of those and did my training at the other.Also not mitchells main. manvers actually had 6 shafts,no's 5 and 6 were actually barnburgh main(another pit I worked at),this pit was sunk as an extension to manvers.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 6, 2014 15:13:39 GMT -5
I am going to stick my neck out here............ the pit is Markham Main. First photo link www.geograph.org.uk/photo/659402The downcast headgear has been changed to a metal frame type headgear. The original Upcast headgear, although minus the frame work for changing the winding wheels over, has a distinctive sent of banding around the concrete part of the headgear. This banding is the same as in the Pathe clip. Also, note the chimney by the winding house, same as the film clip. Second photo link www.heritage-images.com/Preview/PreviewPage.aspx?id=2357490This shows Markham main in the 60's, you can just make out the original headgears but also the chimney and what looks like a brick cooling tower, this is also shown in the film clip. I think the film was made in 1972 and my guess is that both headgears were changed sometime after this date to these shaunflannery.photoshelter.com/image/I0000oawqfCguPykThe last steam winder was replaced in 1980, perhaps this was when the headgears were changed?? www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1753779
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Post by dazbt on Jan 7, 2014 4:56:22 GMT -5
Could be, good research either way Wheldale.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 7, 2014 7:42:16 GMT -5
Thanks Daz,
Also forget to say that in the 60's at Markham main a coal products plant was constructed, now I don't know if this is the same as a coke works but I'm sure some of the buildings would look similar to a coke works?
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Post by John on Jan 7, 2014 7:50:32 GMT -5
Thanks Daz, Also forget to say that in the 60's at Markham main a coal products plant was constructed, now I don't know if this is the same as a coke works but I'm sure some of the buildings would look similar to a coke works? Coke ovens have their own architecture, the ones I saw at the steelworks at Port Kembla were huge rectangular units, many feet tall that processed hundreds of tons of coal into coke...
I'd hazard a guess, coal products manufacture use presses to make coal products from fines, so doubt those buildings look anything like coke ovens.
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 7, 2014 13:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by bulwellbrian on Jan 7, 2014 13:36:12 GMT -5
The smokeless fuel plant at Markham Main was to produce "Roomheat" which were cushion shaped briquettes for use in closed stoves. It did not last very long. A similar plant was built at Coventry colliery to produce "Homefire" which was intended for open fires. This lasted a bit longer. Both products were the result of research led by Dr Bronowski and were nicnamed "Bronowski Briquettes".
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Post by tygwyn on Jan 7, 2014 16:12:42 GMT -5
How could they possibly market the product as Smokeless Fuel,no wonder it did`nt last long.
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Post by cortonwood on Jan 11, 2014 15:25:54 GMT -5
good research that wheldale,i'd have put a wager on it not being markham,but looking at those photos it looks like you've come up trumps. that 1920 date tho seems to have no relevance,sinking began on may 6th 1916 but ceased on 24 august the same year and apart from a brief spell in 1919 didn't resume until may 1922,reaching the Barnsley seam in may 1924,maybe they built the winding houses while shaft sinking was at a standstill. I know for sure that video looks nothing like markham I visited in the eighties and worked at under coal investments. I am going to stick my neck out here............ the pit is Markham Main. First photo link www.geograph.org.uk/photo/659402The downcast headgear has been changed to a metal frame type headgear. The original Upcast headgear, although minus the frame work for changing the winding wheels over, has a distinctive sent of banding around the concrete part of the headgear. This banding is the same as in the Pathe clip. Also, note the chimney by the winding house, same as the film clip. Second photo link www.heritage-images.com/Preview/PreviewPage.aspx?id=2357490This shows Markham main in the 60's, you can just make out the original headgears but also the chimney and what looks like a brick cooling tower, this is also shown in the film clip. I think the film was made in 1972 and my guess is that both headgears were changed sometime after this date to these shaunflannery.photoshelter.com/image/I0000oawqfCguPykThe last steam winder was replaced in 1980, perhaps this was when the headgears were changed?? www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1753779
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Post by Wheldale on Jan 11, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -5
I cant take all the credit for it. I posted the film on Aditnow, couple of posts suggested it might be Markham main. I think the 1920 referes to when the winders were installed. They were a couple of "fast winders", I read some where that the cage would travel at 60mph. Skips were installed in the 70's, probably when the film was shot as there are loads of mine cars on the surface. The winders were replaced in 1980, probably when the head gears were changed.
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