You don't know how he got scalded in his earlier accident, do you Daz??
Absolutely no idea John, that link is the first report of either accident that I've seen, the only thing I can guess at it that it was something such as an MTV cooling system, I have seen shearer motor cooling systems exhaust steam but only in rare instances where the water flow was inadequate, or a short burst emitted when a motor has been stood down for a short period and on restarting the amount stood in the water jacket has 'super heated' .......... the other baffling bit is where did the ice come from?
You don't know how he got scalded in his earlier accident, do you Daz??
Absolutely no idea John, that link is the first report of either accident that I've seen, the only thing I can guess at it that it was something such as an MTV cooling system, I have seen shearer motor cooling systems exhaust steam but only in rare instances where the water flow was inadequate, or a short burst emitted when a motor has been stood down for a short period and on restarting the amount stood in the water jacket has 'super heated' .......... the other baffling bit is where did the ice come from?
Sounds plausible Daz, but like you say, where did the ice come from. Sounds like reporters "poetic license" to me. Mind you, UK Coal might be a very benevolent employer, and supply flameproof freezers for the blokes to keep their TV dinners in??
Re: West Yorkshire miner killed « Reply #4 on Oct 24, 2009, 3:39pm »
Going a bit askew from the tragic topic of yet another mining death, but following on from the puzzling mention of ice being available on a coal face (the Silkstone Seam at Kellingley being at a fair depth and certainly known as a 'warm place' to be working in .................... here's a tale, a true story but one that takes a bit of believing; in the mid 1960s I generally worked on longwall face machinery in the NCB Barnsley Area and particularly in the thinner seams of the pits to the West, the pits were relatively shallow and often the main problem was in evaluating the exact amount of clothing that would allow you to be able to physically wriggle your way through the face which often provided a mere 18inches of crawling clearance and not freeze to death, quite a bit different to the working conditions in the much deeper but thicker coal sections being worked in the East, the Doncaster pits such as Hickleton, Rossington and Frickley, pits where the standard pit gear was a singlet and a pair of pit knickers or even worse, on faces such those being worked at Frickley in the Barnsley Bed Seam where the wearing of a pair of knickers and nothing else was often considered as being overdressed, the fearfull temperatures in no way being offsett by the fact that there was enough headroom on the Longwall face to be able to almost stand upright and run atop the AFC even when fully loaded and running ............. and it was on such a face at Frickley where I first (and for the only time ever) witnessed face workers naked except for a pair of knickers, absolutely dripping with sweat, in temperatures that would almost melt candle wax actually having snowball raids with real snow ........... well actually ice balls, but none the less actual balls of real ice .......... there can't have been many places in the world where naked sweaty humans have had the opportunity or ability to snowball each other at a depth of almost 3,000 feet below the Earth's surface.
Re: West Yorkshire miner killed « Reply #5 on Oct 24, 2009, 4:03pm »
Never worked in extremely hot conditions in coal Daz, but Boulby Potash mine was extremely hot as I mentioned way back. Shorts and Tee shirt were my dress down there. I used to take a litre bottle of frozen fruit juice, as did many of the miners. The management provided us with a large insulated box to leave our snap and drinks in to keep them cool. Ambient rock temperature at the depth they work at is 108F, so with machinery and men it was very hot!! I dreaded the north side in the early years when they were developing the place, one Secoma drill rig I was called to had tripped on oil tank thermals, the paint was blistering on the side of the tank and I was requested to short the thermals out. Yeh right!! Like hell! My job wouldn't have lasted long after the fire either!!
Re: West Yorkshire miner killed « Reply #6 on Oct 27, 2009, 4:40am »
It seem that 'faulty roof supports' were involved in the Kellingley fatality, apparently the face has been stood down for the investigation but mention of changing suspect faulty valves on roof supports has been made.
Re: West Yorkshire miner killed « Reply #7 on Oct 27, 2009, 4:47am »
The ice on the face at Frickley was produced by the AB 16 shearer, air turbine driven, no electric motors allowed at that time. The ice built up around the turbine exhaust, a great place to be for the occasional 'cooling down' break.
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